Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Plumbing

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-15-2009, 11:44 AM   #1
newer than a newbie...
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 130
Share |
Default

replacing toilet...basic questions


Hi All.

I am needing to replace our slow flushing toilet, and as per instructions and how to guides, it's a simple 5-6 step process, which assumes every step works as written!

In my case, I shut off the water supply to the toilet and as I flush, the water in the tanks does go away (and doesn't come back), but the water level of the circular bowl comes back, and to the same height as it was when the supply was on. Where is this water coming from if the water supply is supposedly off?

I did notice that after I left this project overnight (with the water supply off), the toilet tank had slowly re-filled to the height you would normally see if the water supply was set to on. So, this indicates a leak somewhere.

I am considering shutting off the water for the house, and trying this, but I have a wife and kids so, it's rare that they are out of the house when I'm there.

I would sponge down the remaining water in the toilet bowl, but it's not a trace amount...it's several cups worth. How should I go about getting this water out?

Any suggestions as to the right approach for this?

mcvane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2009, 01:30 PM   #2
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Appleton, Wisconsin
Posts: 935
Default

replacing toilet...basic questions


So with the supply valve to the toilet shut off the tank filled up? That would mean the valve isn't seating all the way and needs to be replaced. You can shut the main water off and replace this valve, shouldn't take that long. And then you can leave the toilet valve off and turn the main back on to replace the toilet. There is a trap built into the toilet and that water will stay in the bottom of the bowl even when you flush it. It's meant to stay in there so the sewer gases don't come out into your house. You can sponge most of it out before you remove the toilet.

ponch37300 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2009, 01:33 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,566
Default

replacing toilet...basic questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by mcvane View Post
Hi All.

I am needing to replace our slow flushing toilet, and as per instructions and how to guides, it's a simple 5-6 step process, which assumes every step works as written!

If you are replacing this toilet just because it's slow flushing you may end up with a slow flushing new toilet. What do you mean by slow flushing and did it use to flush better?

In my case, I shut off the water supply to the toilet and as I flush, the water in the tanks does go away (and doesn't come back), but the water level of the circular bowl comes back, and to the same height as it was when the supply was on. Where is this water coming from if the water supply is supposedly off?

It's the water from the tank. The water from the tank discharges into the bowl which pushes the bowl level high enough to siphon through the trap into the sewer pipe. Once the siphon sucks the nowl water level to below the trap it loses suction and allows the bowl to refill. The tank discharges slow enough that it is still flowing after the siphon is lost and so refills the bowl

I did notice that after I left this project overnight (with the water supply off), the toilet tank had slowly re-filled to the height you would normally see if the water supply was set to on. So, this indicates a leak somewhere.

Yes your shut off valve is not completely closing and is leaking slowly.

I am considering shutting off the water for the house, and trying this, but I have a wife and kids so, it's rare that they are out of the house when I'm there.

Shut the main water off just long enough to replace the shut off (supply) valve at the toilet. Then you can turn the water back on and use the supply valve to shut off water while you replace the toilet. Supply valves are usually compression fittings. It may not be technically right but I've found that you can usually get by without cutting off the old compression ring and nut and just replace the body which makes replacement very fast.


I would sponge down the remaining water in the toilet bowl, but it's not a trace amount...it's several cups worth. How should I go about getting this water out?

Yes it's several cups worth. Some folks have been known to use a wet/dry shop vac and suck most of the water out. A sponge works ok.

Any suggestions as to the right approach for this?
Good Luck
jogr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2009, 01:43 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: South Western Ontario
Posts: 955
Default

replacing toilet...basic questions


Shop vac works great for clean water, just dump it out. Also slide a boot tray into the bathroom and rest the old toilet on it. If it drips it's contained. Helps to keep the feet dry.
Chemist1961 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2009, 10:11 AM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,670
Default

replacing toilet...basic questions


"Slow flushing" is a confusing term and it could be that it is the waste pipe and not the toilet that is at fault. Before removing the old toilet, do some investigating. With the tank lid off, flush and see if the flapper stays up until almost all the water is gone from the tank If not, an adjustment to the chain/strap that lifts it can be made. The chain should only have enough slack to allow the flapper to seal. Take a mirror and look up under the rim of the bowl while flushing. This will tell you if all the holes are open or may be clogged with mineral deposits. A wire coat hanger works well for unclogging. Next, test the drain piping. Pour a 5 gallon bucket of water into the bowl quickly. The bowl, should be able to take all the water with no problem. If it starts backing up, you either have a clog in the bowl trap or the piping. A Closet Auger can be purchased or rented to unclog the bowl. After that, it is reasonable to assume it is the pipe. A wet/dry vacuum works well for removing the water from the bowl if you need to lift the toilet.
__________________
If you have never made a mistake, you haven't done much.
majakdragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rusted-out closet flange found when replacing toilet; what to do? kevind Plumbing 16 09-23-2011 08:00 AM
Help me check my logic on clogged drain and overflowing toilet Southlake_Ed Plumbing 10 01-05-2010 07:52 PM
Basic questions... brackh HVAC 1 04-10-2008 06:02 AM
two toilet questions amakarevic Plumbing 2 11-27-2007 10:48 AM
Replacing a Toilet dandgluna Plumbing 8 07-10-2006 10:09 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.