||05-03-2009 01:12 PM
"OK, Did i understand you correctly, you found the cleanout outside under the kitchen window and you think it runs back into the crawl space? That doesn't make sense. If you found it outside the kitchen window it probably runs away from the house. How old is your house? Is the cleanout full of water?"
The house was built in 1950 and has two lines; the main clay pipe ran from front to rear alley into the city trap. I had that replaced with pvc a few years back. the secondary line runs perpendicular from the garage thru the kitchen where it T's in and continues to the rear bathroom then joins the main. This line (#2) runs under ground on the inside of the concrete foundation in the ground. A kitchen cleanout was installed on the outside wall under the kitchen window and runs thru the foundation approximately 3 visible feet into the groung where it must tap in. This line then continues to the rear second bathroom and then taps into the main line. That kitchen cleanout is my access to this line. Thank you.
"That black sludge is very common in kitchen lines. it is a combo of grease and soap. Have you tried running a jetter through the line. It is possible you have a broken line if you can't get the snake further than you have but it could also be a tee or solid piece of grease that won't break up. they can be stubborn at times. A jetter would probably take care of this but it will be very messy and nasty."
I;ve never heard that term, but after googling it I am now. That sems the next reasonable approach to this problem. thank you for you rkind help also. I'll stay in touch. mess and all!
"Clay pipe was often used from the house to the street, but not usually under the house. What kind of cutter are you using on the snake?? Machine auger?? Before digging, maybe a video snake would tell what is going on down there."
The primary line, fron to rear of house to alley was clay. that has been replaced due to the tree roots every year. Where the second line joins the main it is clay with a cement patch that was done over it sevreal years prior to my ownership. I've been here 15 years. Roughly 10'-15' in from this jointon the secondary line is the second bathroom. All of the plumbing there has been replaced. The problem exists closer to the kitchen side than the second bathroom side. Regarding the snake, I started with the coil bit, then a small U shaped one and finally the tree root chopper. All stoped at the same spt with the same results. I retried the high pressure nozzel on the hose again and it just backed flushed black silt debris. I concur that a camera snake is also another option I will try along with the suggestion from Al's sewer. Thank you all for your insight and expeience and I'll keep you posted.