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Old 06-11-2013, 11:04 AM   #16
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As said before it is not rocket science to thread gas pipe.
No it's not. But being able to get your hands on a threader isn't the end point for being capable of doing that piping job. Is it?

When Joe asks about the effect of cutting oil on rectorseal he should get a different response than Dave who doesn't know why his 1/2" IPS fitting won't tighten up with that brass thing by the furnace. Get it? There is always a line.

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I think you need to define which DIY'r your talking about. For the most part there are two types....clueless and competent.

The clueless types are the same ones who set off 8 bug bombs in their house and don't turn off the gas water heater. And I would be willing to bet that more houses have been destroyed by bug bombs than gas leaks.

Clueless people think with their wallet....or lack of what is in it....

Clueless people come here...ask one or two questions and when they don't get the answer they want, they keep going until they find someone that gives them the answer they want...not need...want.

Clueless people have no common sense....

Personally, I think the dangers of DIY gas plumbing is highly over stated. It doesn't take much effort to figure out what you need and how to do it. I have completely replumbed the gas lines in my house as well as extending it into my 2-story addition. And I'll have you know that PVC works great. Easy to cut and glue...pipe is rated for 300 PSI....it will never break or leak.
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Kind of ironic that most of the incidents mentioned in that site seem to have occurred at pumping and compressor stations manned by "professionals" familiar with gas. One site experienced 3 explosions within 15 months.

Regardless of trade, a DIYer needs to be able to recognize when he is out of his/her league.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:14 AM   #19
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Everyone can get as amped up as they want. This is NOT an indictment on YOUR intelligence, abilities, or common sense.

How about this: Your moron next door neighbor decides to do some of his own work, does it poorly, and your wife and child are killed in the explosion that results directly from this work.

You can fight for your own rights, and talk about how it's not that complicated, and be confident in your own abilities, and how your freedoms are being taken away.

Here's the question.

How do you protect those who aren't willingly involved, and aware of the risks of doing any type of work? I'm not stumping for big government here, but if you have an easy answer, I'd love to hear it.
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Regardless of trade...
Of course. The gas work is just one example.
It could be poorly done stairs to the deck.

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a DIYer needs to be able to recognize when he is out of his/her league.
That still presupposes a lot. That they know there is a line and can fairly evaluate their own level of competence is asking a lot; especially of the newbies who pop up in places like this.

I've been doing all sorts of things for over 40 years and can do a lot of things pretty well... but I still can't do a decent miter cut. It took until about age 30 to fully accept this truth.

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Personally, I think the dangers of DIY gas plumbing is highly over stated. It doesn't take much effort to figure out what you need and how to do it. I have completely replumbed the gas lines in my house as well as extending it into my 2-story addition. And I'll have you know that PVC works great. Easy to cut and glue...pipe is rate for 300 PSI....it will never break or leak.
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Of course. The gas work is just one example.
It could be poorly done stairs to the deck.

That still presupposes a lot. That they know there is a line and can fairly evaluate their own level of competence is asking a lot; especially of the newbies who pop up in places like this.

I've been doing all sorts of things for over 40 years and can do a lot of things pretty well... but I still can't do a decent miter cut. It took until about age 30 to fully accept this truth.
But a bad miter cut won't blow up your house.

Being a plumber, I have no reservations about running my own gas line, of course around here we only have propane, which we operate at a very low pressure. It would be pretty difficult to end up with a leak on it. Even still, we test it at 30PSI.

Anyway, just my $.02 because I can't keep my mouth shut.
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Everyone can get as amped up as they want. This is NOT an indictment on YOUR intelligence, abilities, or common sense.

How about this: Your moron next door neighbor decides to do some of his own work, does it poorly, and your wife and child are killed in the explosion that results directly from this work.

You can fight for your own rights, and talk about how it's not that complicated, and be confident in your own abilities, and how your freedoms are being taken away.

Here's the question.

How do you protect those who aren't willingly involved, and aware of the risks of doing any type of work? I'm not stumping for big government here, but if you have an easy answer, I'd love to hear it.
or the moron next door cuts down a tree that falls on my house, killing my family, or drives his car across my lawn, running over my dawg or starts cleaning a gun sending a bullet whizzing through my house. or forgets to turn off his oven, still managing to blow up my house as well without the benefit of shoddy homeowner completed gas line work.

the thing here is risk assessment. IMNSHO, we already have enough nanny legislation.
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As a plumber who works in peoples homes it never ceases to amaze me how seemingly competent people still score an F when it comes to gas systems.
Sure- they used the proper material and sizing, but where's the required make up/combustion air?
How about the venting? That odorless gas will kill- fast and quietly.
Just curious, anyone here google that when searching for gas related deaths or injuries?
What- no permit?
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I did check that site out while doing my google search. Was not aware of the number of contractor caused explosions around the country on a montlhy basis.
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No it's not. But being able to get your hands on a threader isn't the end point for being capable of doing that piping job. Is it?
My comment of
"As said before it is not rocket science to thread gas pipe."
was meant threading together already purchased pre-threaded nipples or sticks of pipe. Not actually using a theader to thread your own. But I see where my statement could have been taken the other way.

Any thoughts on if this shut off is ok?
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We can rail against the government regulations all we want, the fact is that we have to deal with them whether we like it or not. A good deal of the time those codes and rules have been put together from experience and multiple problems in the field. Live in a place that requires a permit? Get one... or don't. Live in a place where it is perfectly legal to do your own work... have at it.

For those that scoff at the professionals who suggest that you get a pro to do the work because it is job security for us, that is utter nonsense. The likelihood that we will be the ones doing the work in your home is slim at best. The recommendation comes from our experiences in the field not from a self-serving greed. A good deal of us have seen what can happen or could have happened all because someone did the work themselves and never did their homework.

I have seen first hand what can come from a homeowner who knows just enough to be dangerous. It is never about the thousands of installations that go right, it is about the one that goes horribly wrong regardless of who does the work, professional or weekend warrior.

I do not know who said this, but I think it applies here:

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My 10 year old son did most of the pipe threading for our 2-story addition...
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A good deal of the time those codes and rules have been put together from experience and multiple problems in the field. Live in a place that requires a permit? Get one... or don't. Live in a place where it is perfectly legal to do your own work... have at it.
So the laws of physics must be different in a town where only a licensed guy can work on gas lines as compared to a town where an unlicensed guy(or gal) can.

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My comment of
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was meant threading together already purchased pre-threaded nipples or sticks of pipe. Not actually using a theader to thread your own. But I see where my statement could have been taken the other way.

Any thoughts on if this shut off is ok?
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to shut off the light with a ball valve?

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