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Roddy Piper 12-29-2007 03:09 AM

Question on WRONG glue used on ABS
 
Well, after putting everything together and cementing it, I found that the cement that the Home Depot employee recommended for me to use for ABS was not ABS cement but ABS to PVC transition cement (the green cement). Can anyone let me know if I should be safe with this, or if I should take out what I have done and start over?

What I have contructed is a replacement drain and vent for a sink, 1-1/2" ABS. I plan on covering up all the plumbing, so if this cement will not hold, I would rather start over to be safe (but if it is okay, that would be great).

I feel like kicking myself for not looking more closely at the label (along with a kick to the HD employee as well).

USP45 12-29-2007 07:03 AM

As a licensed plumber myself I have never had any faith in these "Miracle" glues. I am not allowed to use it here because of code. If I need to run PVC to ABS then I have to use fittings dsigned for this purpose. This is because the inspectors also do not have faith in this stuff. IMO, I would start over. While it "May" hold why take the chance? I do not play games like that, a lot of plumbers do, but I am too buisy to have to come back and replace it again.

jpplumber 12-29-2007 07:16 AM

I have never seen the green glue but if is meant for ABS to PVC it should work. If it makes you feel better take it out and redo it. It has been years since I have even used ABS pipe (in California) and don't remember what the regular glue looks like. ABS is not allowed in Texas and you can't even buy it in the stores.

Rehabber 12-29-2007 09:40 AM

ABS to ABS glue actually melts the plastic to form a chemical and mechanical bond. I am not aware that the glue you used does this. If it just makes a mechanical bond, I would pull it all out and do er right.

Ron The Plumber 12-29-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Roddy Piper (Post 83613)
Well, after putting everything together and cementing it, I found that the cement that the Home Depot employee recommended for me to use for ABS was not ABS cement but ABS to PVC transition cement (the green cement).

Thats the problem in todays market, HD will hire anyone and that anyone will tell you anything they can to sell, even if they have no knowledge of said product, I'd go to that HD and file a complaint with them about this screwup of there employee.

Marlin 12-29-2007 10:52 AM

This is going on my list of reasons people should not shop at Home Depot. No one listens though and that 20% or so saved saved is sure worth it when your home floods or you need to replace everything in two years.

MinConst 12-29-2007 11:04 AM

Anyone that does work should understand what they are doing. Product wise it pays to find out what product is for what purpose (yourself). I understand you are kicking yourself but just take it as a lesson learned and educate yourself next time.
Relying on a HD or any other employee to give you what you need is a thing of the past. As stated above some just don't and the ones that do are getting fewer and further between.
These employees should be taught to say "I don't know but I will find someone who does". Until then rely on your own to find it out. It is all on the labels of 90 percent of product. The other 10 if you don't know you shouldn't be working with it.

ranman469 12-29-2007 02:10 PM

i have seen this type of glue, the can says for all types of plastics. and thats right. but the code says no you can`t glue PVC to abs. you can join with a mechanical shielded coupling made for it. of a fernco type coupling. some codes do not allow the fernco anymore because of allowing the pipe to move off center blocking the pipe

Ron The Plumber 12-29-2007 02:43 PM

The green glue is transition glue, designed to joins pvc to abs and only pvc to abs, it is not all purpose, code dictate when and where it can be used. Here on one joint one joint only, and on the outside of a building only. All other uses for this glue is not allowed.


Ranman469 you need to read up on codes, you make no sense.

ranman469 12-29-2007 02:54 PM

quote me the section and book so i can get informed. there is
more than one code

edit
ok i found it. section of the upc 316.1.6 yes you are right. but he is talking in side the home. a recomendation for something that can only be installed outside makes no sense.

Roddy Piper 12-29-2007 03:18 PM

Thanks for the replies everyone. Looks like to be safe, I am going to redo the drain and vent with proper cement, and chalk this up to experience.

ranman469 12-29-2007 03:19 PM

1 Attachment(s)
here is a good link on what to do very easy

http://www.rd.com/content/openConten...ontentId=19566

Ron The Plumber 12-29-2007 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranman469 (Post 83703)
edit
ok i found it. section of the upc 316.1.6 yes you are right. but he is talking in side the home. a recomendation for something that can only be installed outside makes no sense.


Was not making any recommendations, was only talking about the glue he bought, and just was trying to set the record straight about the green transition glue he purchased from HD

Recommendation here is to cut out and replace said fitting/s using the correct glue intended for the application. Green transition glue is never allowed inside a building, and is not used to glue abs to abs.


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