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Old 02-06-2007, 11:33 AM   #1
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Hey Guys,
Am new to the board and am looking for advice from any homeowner who may have experienced something similar.

I have the basement of my small ranch house gutted and have started renovations. I'm doing some of it, GC is doing other parts ala carte. Had him bring in several plumbers to cost out removal/replacement of hot/cold water supply(electric HWT & r/r of copper w/PEX). Also, cut slab and move toilet/shower drain about 1-2 feet each. Problem is, I need to finish basement but I can't afford the price the plumbers want to charge. My work is drying up and it will be difficult to finish as it is. As a diy'er, I know that I could replace the HWT and water supply w/PEX and except for the cost of the tools, would not be too bad. But moving toilets and drains and anything to do with vent pipes IMO should be left to the pros. Here's a couple of questions/ideas, tell me what you think:

-Should I offer to do grunt work before plumber arrives(rip out old HWT/water supply, cut concrete, dig up under slab pipes)to bring cost down.
Would I be out of line in asking this?.

-If I replace the water supply/HWT myself and farmed out the drain portion that I can't do, how would I get a permit?. Would I have to get one for the work that I do and have the plumber get another?.

-If all else fails, I would have to get my own permit and do the job myself. While I feel I could do the work, doing it to code the first time and w/i a reasonable amount of time seems unlikely. AND, do I
really want to tell SWMBO that her only toilet and shower are out of commission indefinitely????. I think not.

I'm stuck and need some advice, anything would help, maybe something I have'nt contemplated.

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Old 02-06-2007, 01:42 PM   #2
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dont buy the tool for pex use the new quick conectors that way you save about 200 bucks .The conectors are about the same price as pex conectors and are reusable

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Old 02-06-2007, 02:13 PM   #3
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the problem I see is really "time"....

hire someone, they can have multiple bodies and tools and what take them one day to do will take you weeks...

other than that, I think you can tackle a large percentage of the things or everything with enough study beforehand....

I single hand my basement and now I am at mudding stage... I start it a year ago though.... I do have a full time job and 2 little ones though...
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the problem I see is really "time"....

hire someone, they can have multiple bodies and tools and what take them one day to do will take you weeks...

other than that, I think you can tackle a large percentage of the things or everything with enough study beforehand....

I single hand my basement and now I am at mudding stage... I start it a year ago though.... I do have a full time job and 2 little ones though...
I appreciate the input, but...

the price of hiring is the issue and how much time I would do it in is unacceptable.

I can't take the water/toilet/shower offline for any extended period of time and I don't have the $$$ to pay what plumber is asking.

But thank you.

Clasact,
I don't prefer the quick connects, am more comfortable with the Wirsbo expander. Do it once, do it right, and its done.
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Old 02-09-2007, 12:19 PM   #5
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A newb member here...just stopping by...sorry this is so long, but you have a lot of questions here...

From what I can tell in your post, you may be selling yourself short. I can appreciate everything your saying on the whole plumbing thing...but in a residential situation, if you're willing to read learn and take your time, there isn't one piece of this you can't do. You may have to spend some time in the library, purchase some resources...but you CAN do it.

From the OP, I would be greatly surprised if the plumber would give much of a break for "helping out" They know that most HO's ask a boat load of ?'s and that takes time to explain the details. I had a bid for a rough in only no fixtures on a pretty standard 3 BR 2.5 BA house...almost $9K my time and material, less than $1k. 10X the time, but I have more time than money ;-)

Where I'm at, the permit is issued for the property, and there's tasks or items associated to the permit, and to get the permit it's a flat fee. Each stool is $X, each laundry group $X and so on. Call your permitting office and inquire, tell them your a owner and haven't done this before, what's the steps involved. Most offices will help you through the process. If they shoot you down, or treat you like $hit, climb their food chain. Remember they work for you, you pay their wages and unless you walk in with a chip (they can make your life he!!), they should at least treat you like a human being.

I've been fortunate to have a great inspector during my house building project. I work 4-10 hour days and build nights and weekends, so I'm not a professional, but I can read. If I have questions, I call and/or email and if there may be questions or issues, I call for an inspection, and ask a bunch of questions on other things while he's there.

Something to think about, rather than take your system off line for a long time, you can work around existing fixtures, do all the other stuff and when it's convent, schedule the time to cut in the vent and drain. If you're properly prepared, less than a day. Alternatively if you want to start on the "live" end, cut the connections in and cap.

As for the PEX, it's the ONLY way to go. I purchased the copper crimp ring tool (does 1/2 and 3/4), <$100 you might be able to rent it as well. Wirsbo is the cats and also the most expensive. I roughed in the whole house in a day, including pressure checking. Be careful that you get the "system" meaning the rings and fittings that fit your PEX. There's several brands out there...and not all have the same wall thicknesses.

If you need more...just ask! Best of luck!

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Here's a couple of links to resources to get you going.

I've got the set of code-check books, they are abbreviated...but have a ton of information in them many w/ pictures.

The Pros for Pros books by Taunton are quite good as well. This one has a spcific section on installing a stool in a basement.

You might be able to pick these up for less or check out from the library.

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"the problem I see is really "time"...."

Everyone major, even minor, task that needs to get done always gets affected by that little problem called "time".


Household renovations are easier than you think.
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did you have a budget before you started your renovation? How about a schedule?
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