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Bigd3129 08-07-2010 08:57 AM

Plumbing Job Question
 
I just got hired by a small plumbing company:thumbup: But I'm not even a registered apprentice yet they have me doing small stuff like installing sinks fixing toliets taking apart ptraps they send me out alone do you need a licence for doing stuff like this even though im not alterating the plumbing system. I just dont want to get in trouble by the "plumbing police" thanks

Scuba_Dave 08-07-2010 08:58 AM

Where are you located ?

Bigd3129 08-07-2010 09:00 AM

In ontario, canada

fabrk8r 08-07-2010 09:40 AM

Bigd3129,

Go here: http://www.plumbingzone.com/?gclid=C...FRUd5wodkDnPaA

Let them know your concerns. There are very knowledgeable plumbers there who will help you out.

Good luck! :)

DangerMouse 08-07-2010 09:48 AM

Ummmm, aren't those all things homeowners can do themselves without permit, therefore perfectly OK for HIM to do as well?

Po)

DM

fabrk8r 08-07-2010 09:55 AM

As licensed HVAC tech/Sheet Metal Journeyman who works for a plumbing and heating business, I know that it is illegal in my area (Iowa) for an unlicensed plumber or HVAC tech to work alone in the field.

I believe that this applies to most locations in the US and Canada.

With that being said, I know it still occurs frequently with few repercussions for the offenders.

Scuba_Dave 08-07-2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 481799)
Ummmm, aren't those all things homeowners can do themselves without permit, therefore perfectly OK for HIM to do as well?

Po)

DM

Homeowner can't do plumbing in MA
Not sure of other states

fabrk8r 08-07-2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 481799)
Ummmm, aren't those all things homeowners can do themselves without permit, therefore perfectly OK for HIM to do as well?

Po)

DM


If he's doing it in his own home, its okay, like SD said, if its allowed for homeowners to do their own plumbing in his locality.

The laws were established to protect the workers as well as home owners and business owners.

DangerMouse 08-07-2010 10:11 AM

At our old place, when I swapped out the vanity and toilet, they told me as long as I wasn't changing any lines or drains, I did not need a permit. I assume it'd be the same for removing a P-trap to clean a drain out. However, as stated, these are things the HOMEOWNER can do, but maybe not the OP in that area in this circumstance.

DM

TheEplumber 08-07-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigd3129 (Post 481781)
I just got hired by a small plumbing company:thumbup: But I'm not even a registered apprentice yet they have me doing small stuff like installing sinks fixing toliets taking apart ptraps they send me out alone do you need a licence for doing stuff like this even though im not alterating the plumbing system. I just dont want to get in trouble by the "plumbing police" thanks

If you plan to make plumbing a career, do yourself a favor and get registered with the plumbing board (or whatever your area calls it) You need a certain amount of on the job (OJT) hours to qualify as a journeyman. Start documenting them now, not later.
Your employer is probably taking more risk than you are. You should be registered and directly supervised. I can only tell you what my area requires. Its best for you to get in touch with your labor board and ask some "what if" questions. Don't rely on co workers opinions. My two cents:wink:

Alan 08-07-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerMouse (Post 481799)
Ummmm, aren't those all things homeowners can do themselves without permit, therefore perfectly OK for HIM to do as well?

Po)

DM

Around here it's the difference between doing it yourself, and doing it for someone else and getting paid for it.

If you are billing a customer for plumbing work that you are doing, you should either be a licenced plumber, or a legitimate apprentice working under a journeyman who's shop is going through a training agent program.

If I were to be working illegitimately while trying to get into the apprenticeship, I could be kicked out and not allowed to work in the state ever again as a plumber.

Not sure what Canada's laws are.

NHMaster 08-07-2010 11:07 AM

Apprentices can not work unless directly supervised. That means that when it's coffee time, you either have to be the gofer or sit and wait until your master gets back. No, you can do absolutely nothing plumbing related without direct supervision. You can sweep floors, pick up tools and wash the truck. Your boss is putting his license and your career at risk.

TheEplumber 08-07-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NHMaster (Post 481836)
Apprentices can not work unless directly supervised. That means that when it's coffee time, you either have to be the gofer or sit and wait until your master gets back. No, you can do absolutely nothing plumbing related without direct supervision. You can sweep floors, pick up tools and wash the truck. Your boss is putting his license and your career at risk.

We try not to tell our apprentices about coffee breaks. Let them figure it out on their own - part of the learning process. :laughing:

VIPlumber 08-09-2010 12:56 AM

Quote:

I just got hired by a small plumbing company:thumbup: But I'm not even a registered apprentice yet they have me doing small stuff like installing sinks fixing toliets taking apart ptraps they send me out alone do you need a licence for doing stuff like this even though im not alterating the plumbing system. I just dont want to get in trouble by the "plumbing police" thanks
If you're working in your own house, that's fine. If you're getting paid to work in someone else's house, then it's not.

Sounds like your boss is either trying to charge the client for an apprentice ~$15/hr and pay you what, $10-12/hr? Or you just started working for him and are on a probationary trial. Has he ever mentioned an apprenticeship to you? Get registered so you can get credit for hours worked.

I've worked for a few shady ones over the years, screwing both their customers and employees. Kinda leaves a bad taste, ya know what I mean?


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