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Old 10-13-2010, 05:44 PM   #16
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great info. Now that you are here, you are staying, right?

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Old 10-14-2010, 06:40 AM   #17
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great info. Now that you are here, you are staying, right?
If directed at me, yeah. I got this 70 year old bathroom that needs very much to be remodeled. Appears a half assed remodel was attempted 15 years ago but I need a complete gut back to the studs and floor joists.

Back to maintenance. NFPA 25 "Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems" 2002 Edition Section 4.1 puts responsibility for maintenance squarely on the shoulders of the building owner.

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4.1 Responsibility of the Owner or Occupant.
4.1.1* The owner or occupant shall provide ready accessibility to components of water-based fire protection systems that require inspection, testing, or maintenance.
4.1.2* The responsibility for properly maintaining a water-based fire protection system shall be that of the owner of the property.
4.1.2.1 By means of periodic inspections, tests, and maintenance, the equipment shall be shown to be in good operating condition, or any defects or impairments shall be revealed.
4.1.2.2 Inspection, testing, and maintenance shall be implemented in accordance with procedures meeting or exceeding those established in this document and in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions.
4.1.2.3 These tasks shall be performed by personnel who have developed competence through training and experience.
How does the owner know all this? At the end of the work we are required by the installation standard to provide the owner with a copy of NFPA #25 which I got to tell you is one boring read. Nobody outside the industry is going to read this thing it's more than 100 large (8 1/2 x 11) pages of small print most of which has nothing to do with their particular system.

Over 100 pages of this sort of thing.

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11.4.7 In-Line Balanced Pressure Proportioner.
(A) The foam concentrate pump shall be operated. Foam concentrate shall be circulated back to the tank.
(B) Foam pumps, drive train, and drivers shall be serviced in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions and frequency, but not at intervals of more than 5 years.
(C) The diaphragm balancing valve shall be flushed through the diaphragm section with water or foam concentrate until fluid appears clear or new.
(D) The foam concentrate tank shall be inspected internally for corrosion and sediment. Excessive sediment shall require draining and flushing of the tank.
11.4.8 Pressure Vacuum Vents. The procedures specified in 11.4.8(A) through 11.4.8(H) shall be performed on pressure vacuum vents every 5 years.
(A) The vent shall be removed from the expansion dome. While the vent is removed, it shall be ensured that the opening is not blocked and that dirt or other foreign objects do not enter the tank.
(B) The vest bonnet shall be removed. The vacuum valve and pressure valve shall be lifted out.
(C) The vent body shall be flushed internally and the vacuum valve and the pressure valve shall be washed thoroughly. It shall be ensured that the screen is not clogged, and the use of any hard, pointed objects to clear the screen shall be avoided.
(D) If the liquid has become excessively gummy or solidified, the vent body and parts shall be soaked in hot soapy water.
Sleeping yet?

The building owner is going to read this and know what it means or even if the section applies to them? The homeowners association president is going to read and know? Hey, I know what they are talking about and it makes my teeth hurt so I can only imagine what someone outside the industry thinks.

All to often this is where the breakdown happens. I did everything I was supposed to do, I gave the owner a copy of NFPA #25, but now what? Often what happens is the owner isn't around, I give the material to the general contractor, he is the owners representative, but much of the time it gets pitched in with everything else. The owner ends up with a filing cabinet of documentation and most likely he'll never know he got it much less what it means. When this happens it's a prescription for disaster 5 years down the road.

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glad to see somebody with experience on fire systems on the forum.



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Not at all. I grew up reading technical manuals.

so, what't the best direction for the original poster? Cold weather is coming and it really sounds like somebody in that condo group is going to get a big wet surprise.

any idea who might be a controlling authority in NH?
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glad to see somebody with experience on fire systems on the forum.

Not at all. I grew up reading technical manuals.

so, what't the best direction for the original poster? Cold weather is coming and it really sounds like somebody in that condo group is going to get a big wet surprise.

any idea who might be a controlling authority in NH?
Appears the only people interested are the towns of Peterborough, Salem and Durham. Though I do not agree with everything it appears Salem has some stringent requirements.

Other than those towns it appears New Hampshire is one of the very few states that do not have state wide regulations that require sprinkler companies obtain licenses.

As far as the original poster I would contact someone that appears to be established in the state. I would ask if their inspectors are NICET certified which is a big plus if they are especially at Level III certification. If they have Level III you can at least be sure they know what they are doing. Be up front when talking to them, they will come out, do a thorough inspection and tell what needs to be done.

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