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Old 04-08-2013, 03:37 PM   #1
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Curious what my options are as to draining a sink for a back yard kitchen area. Does it have to go into sewer or can water from a sink like that be drained to a nearby flower bed?

I have very easy access to the sewer, via a nearby cleanout, but I worry about the trap freezing in winter months and about venting of the line. That's where I'm weighing the options, even though code may dictate my options.

I guess I just see pros and cons of each idea and not really sure how it is handled and want to be informed when I draw up the plans for it. I know some areas allow for gray water to be used in irrigation, not really sure about my area, will have to look into.

If it needs to be burried and tied into sewer, does the drain have to be below frost line and would use of an AAV be accepable? Could I place the P trap below frost line or is that asking for troubles?

Thanks for any input. I live in south central Kansas if it makes any difference...

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I guess to add another question to this, any reason I couldn't use frost free hose bibs for the water to house connections? I plan to tie into my water supply with PEX and my home run system, so I could easily turn the outdoor water off by simply closing those lines down, but with the frost free, I wouldn't have to worry about draining the main line to the outdoor kitchens, I'd just have to undo the lines to the faucet.

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I would drain into a flower bed and not use a trap (or vent). If this job requires a permit, you may be forced to do something else. Install stop and waste valves in the house so you can shut off and drain the lines in the winter.
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Thanks, I placed a call to an inspector top see if he would tell me, but I'm thinking of I don't get reply, I may just run line close to clean out, so it could be connected, yet drain to flowers until the need arises.
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You can not connect at the clean out, it needs to remain accessable.
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You can not connect at the clean out, it needs to remain accessable.
Why couldn't I place a y along the vertical section of pipe on the clean out? It'd still be accessible....
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It should run to the drain. Connect it as you planned and add an aav for the vent and a tubular trap at the sink. If you need to winterize it just dump some RV antifreeze into the trap in fall.

Good idea on the water you can just put the hoses away for winter.
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It should run to the drain. Connect it as you planned and add an aav for the vent and a tubular trap at the sink. If you need to winterize it just dump some RV antifreeze into the trap in fall.

Good idea on the water you can just put the hoses away for winter.
Inspector never returned call, so they must not care that much about it....

Still torn on the connection, it would almost be easier to tie into sewer, but seems a bit of a waste of water, since most/if not all of the use will be to just rinse stuff off, etc.. Seems like water plants makes lots of sense from a conservation standpoint!

Another thought that did cross mind was to just pull the trap in the winter and put a rubber cap in it's place and either place a bucket under sink or make a cover for the sink!

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