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Old 05-25-2011, 07:28 AM   #16
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Isn't your check valve at the pump? If so, then any leak before that will cause you to lose prime.

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Old 05-25-2011, 09:25 AM   #17
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Sorry for not thinking about this sooner, but it occurred to me that maybe I should have finished my thought. What I should have said was that if your check valve is at the pump, any leak before that will cause you to lose prime, AND, because the pressure switch is on the pump side of the check valve, it is not seeing that pressure loss, and consequently not kicking the pump on.
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Old 05-25-2011, 03:26 PM   #18
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Sorry for not thinking about this sooner, but it occurred to me that maybe I should have finished my thought. What I should have said was that if your check valve is at the pump, any leak before that will cause you to lose prime, AND, because the pressure switch is on the pump side of the check valve, it is not seeing that pressure loss, and consequently not kicking the pump on.
OK, and yes, there is a check valve- betwen the goulds elec pump and the well pipe. But, what I dont get with your explanation is why then in the past, when pump "sensed" what I thought must have been a pressure loss, pump would annoyingly kick on for say, 5 seconds, then stop from what I thought was built up pressure, then kick on in say, another 10 minutes when pump apparently lost pressure? What was happening then? I just assumed the pump (maybe its air tank on top) was sensing pressure loss.......

So with such a system how could the pump now (a few days ago, when this started) totally loose prime?

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Old 05-25-2011, 03:50 PM   #19
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That, I can't explain, except to think that there must have been a leak on the pump side of the check valve as well, or perhaps the check valve was not fulling seating for some reason; maybe some grit or whatever in it. Otherwise, assuming that the check valve is holding, the pressure at the switch should not drop, hence the pump should not kick on. Right?
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:13 PM   #20
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Makes sense, Dex. I guess I will just watch it. So far, no problems. I am glad I did get it all done!

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:25 PM   #21
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Dang, its my watering day, and pump lost iyts prime again! So, I set up a garden hose again as a second source, connected it to the pump, turned on city water to purge pump of air, etc, opened up a hose at far end of pump/tubimng system, so as to purge out all air, turned on pump, and it ran for 20 minutes with no luck.

I even turned on /off valves ocaisonally to burp and change pressures. In the past, this worked for me and pump would prime and then gush water galore. This time, nothing.

I donnt get it. Why doesnt my pump turn on if theres a slow leak in it/ check valve is defective? Geez, I may have to call a pro if I cant figure this out, as I have been here on../off with fellow members' help and all.
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I wish I could be of more help--it sounds like air is entering the system before the check valve.

Let's keep this going there are several good plumbers here that haven't chimed in yet.

Any possibility of a picture?
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I wish I could be of more help--it sounds like air is entering the system before the check valve.

Let's keep this going there are several good plumbers here that haven't chimed in yet.

Any possibility of a picture?
Thanks, Mike. yeah, Id like to get to the bottom of this mystery. Now, when you say "before the check valve", you mean BELOW the valve, as in between the dirt and the pump, right? (first there is dirt with pipe coming out, then check valve, then that goes to the pump)

I know, picture.......I will try but Im not good at that........
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Not trying to speak for Mike, and I am going to shut up after this, and do as he suggested, wait for an expert to pop in, but yes, that is where I would suspect the leak. Two thoughts just popped into my head though. First of all, do you have a gauge at your pressure switch? If not, it shouldn't be hard to add, and would be a relatively inexpensive way to confirm that the pressure switch is working properly. It would also be great if you had one on the pipe coming out of the ground, and I understand that it might be a PITA, but might answer the question pretty quick. The other thought, which might be worth consideration, is that your point may be getting close to plugged.
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I know very little about well pumps---all suggestions are welcome
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Tanks. yes, it would be hard to put in a guage below or on the pipe where check valve is- its heavy galv steel. Anyway, I thank yous for comments...........if I get any other news, I will advise.
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Update: Guys, heres what I have - I tried to prime it again with a water supply (from city water ), and I opened up all the faucets in the Goulds pump to purge air out. As this purging occured, I placed my ear next to the pump steel pipes, as well as the seperate steel pipe that goes into the ground and holds my picher pump. I hears bubbling as usual, then it stopped, and I tried the hand operated picher pump and after a few burps, picher pump pumped water pretty well, steadily, indicating yes, the well is not bone dry, and at least, Im getting ater to that hand pump.

But, goulds pump still would just burp and spit as evident by looking at the exit point at a hose tap 30 feet away. I was still never able to get that pump to prime. First, I thought, man, maybe well has gone dry. But, hand pump (I think) disproves this. Now, I have to say, after about 2 hours, the hand pump lost its prime also! Gees. That does have a new check valve, and not sure what to make of this. This may offer a clue as to whats going on, eh?

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