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Old 02-11-2012, 05:40 PM   #1
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Old eljer toilet with flush ball (no flapper) leaks


I have an old Eljer toilet in my old house there's a date on there stamped in 1967. I bought my house just over 2 years ago but hardly used this toilet. I noticed it was leaking a little from the tank to the tub, so I replaced the flush ball from Home Depot. It doesn't have a flapper.

The replacement part looks to be the correct size etc of the other one. But to my dismay, it made the leaking even worse. I've played around with the positioning of the flush ball several times but it leaks It's leaking into the bowl, so every 5 minutes the flush valve will come on. I also made sure it was nice and clean where the water outlet is in the tank.

Any other suggestions? It's only a $2 part and I replaced the fill valve just fine. Should I just give up on it and replace the toilet?

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Flapper seat corroded would be one of my first guesses, second would be miss aligned of sticking rod that's attached to the flapper.
Go on the Fluid Master web site to see other options avalible that would work better then what you have now.
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Try sanding the area that it sits against,if all else fails slop some plumbers grease or vaseline around the area it seals against
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try a plumbing supply house ask for eljer triple seal ball Iam sure its still available..but may be hard to find...even can try ebay?
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Fuild Master sells glue on seats is that's what's pitted.
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I'll try the suggestions :D There's no metal down there on this toilet, it's all ceramic (or porcelain...)
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The leak may not be from the seal. See your over tube from the fill valve, that comes with a plastic clip, the over flow tube must be above the water line in the tank. If its below the water line it will siphon the water from the tank and into the bowl through the over flow, thus causing the fill valve to run on and off to replace the water. You think itís the ball but itís not. That being said thatís a poor and problematic flush valve on those toilets recommend you replace the toilet.
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The leak may not be from the seal. See your over tube from the fill valve, that comes with a plastic clip, the over flow tube must be above the water line in the tank. If its below the water line it will siphon the water from the tank and into the bowl through the over flow, thus causing the fill valve to run on and off to replace the water. You think it’s the ball but it’s not. That being said that’s a poor and problematic flush valve on those toilets recommend you replace the toilet.
It's definetely not this- this toilet is so old it doesn't have the over flow valve separate, it's molded into the tank (see above). I just stuffed the fill tube down the hole like you see in the picture of the original post. The water level does not rise above this. I have it set to where it says "water level" molded into the tank. I had used some penetrating oil to loosen the adjuster for the tank ball and the sheen of the oil I could see how it was leaking from the seal at the tank ball.

I'll give one last ditch effort to save this toilet, if not it's getting replaced. With the tank ball design it takes too much force to flush it
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You did not understand me the little black hose that comes off the fill valve goes into that cast in over flow aim looking at it in the picture, I run in to this all the time on running toilet calls that hose is below the water level in the tank. Take that little black hose and find a way to hold it in place above that over flow tube the fluid master comes with a clip and if you notice that clip would clip on to a plastic over flow thatís attached to a standard flush valve about a ľĒ above the over flow creating an air gap, may not be your whole problem but its part.

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Also depending on the new rubber seal you got, if its old new stock or depending on the manufacture the rubber may be stiffer, it may take a couple days before it soften and molds to the seating area
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They also make a retro fit kit for that toilet if the problem is the wire and guide assembly. If you still want to hang on to that toilet, I have used these before and they worked well never got a call back on them. About 20 bucks. it attaches to the tank to bowl toilet bolt, the one next to the fill valve. they make 2 one with touch handle and one with trip lever
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You did not understand me the little black hose that comes off the fill valve goes into that cast in over flow aim looking at it in the picture, I run in to this all the time on running toilet calls that hose is below the water level in the tank. Take that little black hose and find a way to hold it in place above that over flow tube the fluid master comes with a clip and if you notice that clip would clip on to a plastic over flow thatís attached to a standard flush valve about a ľĒ above the over flow creating an air gap, may not be your whole problem but its part.

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Yup I did this for the upstairs toilet but the downstairs toilet the molded in overflow tube I can't put the clip onto. I should note the fill valve has been in that configuration for a while, but I will correct it.

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They also make a retro fit kit for that toilet if the problem is the wire and guide assembly. If you still want to hang on to that toilet, I have used these before and they worked well never got a call back on them. About 20 bucks. it attaches to the tank to bowl toilet bolt, the one next to the fill valve. they make 2 one with touch handle and one with trip lever
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Thanks guys. I just replaced the ball on a '69 Eljer, similar in design, only the ball connects to a perpendicular arm attached to the toilet/tank bolt on the right (is that called a flapper?). The universal replacement ball would not slip into the outlet, rather it sat at an angle. As suggested by Javiles, the new ball felt stiff (old stock). As suggested by Plummen, I applied vaseline to the bulb and the ceramic outlet rim and the ball is plugging fine. You guys are great
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Hello, What was your final solution for this? I have the same issue driving me crazy. I'm going to try the vaseline tip and I'm going to order that kit. I would imagine to really update it the ceramic base needs some sort of new seat glued to it. I have sanded mine in the past, just a little because I didn't want to compromise the size of the drain. Thanks!
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