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Old 03-11-2011, 08:18 AM   #1
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When we bought our home 10 years ago(it was built in 1875) the sump pump was plumbed into the sewer line. It is still that way.
However we have just been informed that we are not allowed to have it that way anymore due to new laws so it is now considered illegal.

The problem is that the sump pump is located in the right front corner of the basement and we have no way to hook up a PVC pipe to have it discharge out of the front of the house due to having a cement front porch and on the right hand side we are connected to another home as we are a twin. The only option we have is to run the PVC pipe all the way to the other side of the house or out the back of the house. This is a pretty far distance and we are worried that the sump pump might not be strong enough to pump it up to a PVC pipe at the basement ceiling and then go another 20 feet to the side or back of the house and then pump it up and out of our basement.

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Old 03-11-2011, 08:33 AM   #2
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Your pump should be able to handle that distance----Make sure that the exit pipe has some pitch so that the water will drain to the outside after the pump shuts off.
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Welcome tracey11474, the best darn DIY'r site on the web.

You may have to change sump pumps so that the pump has enough head to lift the water to the ceiling and overcome the resistance of the piping.

Not sure what kind of pump you have now, that would be good to know as to better inform you of what changes you will have to make.

Example

Verticle lift - Base of sump to ceiling = 8 ft
Flow Resistance - 30 ft of pipe = 5 ft

Minimum Pump required = flow rate x 15 ft of head

Say - RIDGID 1/3 HP Submersible Sump Pump
Rating - 1660 GPH @ 15 ft of head
Or - 28 GPM @ 15 ft of head

Of course this pump size depends solely on how much flow your sump has.

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If you are in a part of the country that experiences freezing temperatures you will need to consider that and make sure that you have a check valve installed at the pump discharge
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We currently have this sump pump:
Superior Pump 92250 1/4-Horsepower Thermoplastic Sump Pump with Tethered Float Switch http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IJR5F6

as the old pedestal one that we here when we moved in 10 years ago died back in October.
Will we need a stronger one to pump that far of a distance???

I really wish we had the money to just have someone come out and take care of it for us but that is just not possible due to finances.

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How often does the pump currently run?

There isn't any specification regarding vertical lift with the pump you currently have.

Personally I would replace this pump with a pump similar to the one in my last post, Ridgid, 1/3 HP, that decision would be more critical of course if you basement is prone to flooding if your pump fails.

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It only runs when we get heavy rains.
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As I can't find any performance info on the pump you currently have, I would recommend changing it out for a better pump, or find what the performance data on the current pump is and see if it will suit your needs.

But it sure sounds like if you don't have a pump you will be flooded.

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We flooded last night because some how the pump got tilted over and stopped working!
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For all I know you may be grandfathered, although the city sends out notices periodically to encourage more people to change over more quickly. I would not call and ask, though. At any rate, unless and until you get two deadline notices you should not have to buy a new pump at list price today when you could wait until it goes on sale.

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You can unhook the pump from the outlet line and cap off the outlet line going to the sewer. Immediately connect a hose to the pump and lead the hose outside, possibly out a window. Once outside, the hose should be sloped down continuously to reduce the chances of freezing up. You can tie the hose to a 2x4 and prop up the latter to achieve the necessary slope. The hose must be sized for the pump; do not just grab a garden hose.

If you are lucky, the downslope can begin while the hose or new outlet pipe is still inside along the ceiling. The check valve is needed so the water still in the hose doesn;t all fall back down into the pit when the pump is done. If your pit is unusually large, this fall back is less of a problem.
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For all I know you may be grandfathered, although the city sends out notices periodically to encourage more people to change over more quickly. I would not call and ask, though. At any rate, unless and until you get two deadline notices you should not have to buy a new pump at list price today when you could wait until it goes on sale.

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You can unhook the pump from the outlet line and cap off the outlet line going to the sewer. Immediately connect a hose to the pump and lead the hose outside, possibly out a window. Once outside, the hose should be sloped down continuously to reduce the chances of freezing up. You can tie the hose to a 2x4 and prop up the latter to achieve the necessary slope. The hose must be sized for the pump; do not just grab a garden hose.

The borough we live in is sending out workers to inspect everyone's house on our street for "illegal" hook-ups to the sewer system per the SCARP program. We never knew it was illegal as that's how it was connected when we moved here 10 years ago.
http://www.alburtis.org/wp-content/u...AL-11-3-09.pdf
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I have a long run like you are proposing--(three pumps,actually--I live by a river)

All are 1/2 horse---1 1/2 inch pvc pipe--back flow valves installed about 3 feet above the floor.

My pumps last a long time---

After the pipe exits the house---it should empty into a larger pipe to get the water away from the house----kind of like a faucet draining into a sink.--(free fall drain)

If the larger drain pipe ever freezes or gets clogged--the water will overflow harmlessly onto the ground----Mike---
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