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Old 03-07-2011, 11:28 PM   #1
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No access to Main shut off until spring and kitchen faucet is broken


I am helping a friend who has been without her kitchen faucet for a month. None of her faucets have shut-offs and the main shut-off is broken. The plumber can not replace the main because the city can't shut off the water from the outside for weeks. Why? Because the valve is under the sidewalk so they will have to dig the sidewalk up. This means a wait of up to another 6 weeks. Apparently the city won't or can't shut off the water to the block, which I understand. There must be some sort of cheat I can do here. I am thinking I can stop the hot water at the hot water tank. Is that OK to do? As for the cold water...

The current kitchen faucet supply lines are flexible copper. Can I pinch the line shut , replace the tap, then just allow for a flood while I get the new flexible line on? The floor and cabinets can handle a small flood. Worse case scenario? Suggestions? I pre-disclaimer all advice. Is there such a thing as a supply tube with a built in shut- off in case of leaks I can't stop? Help. My friend has young kids and the situation is getting scary.

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Find a different plumber. Many plumbers have equipment to freeze a copper pipe to shut off the water for repairs. Make sure he installs stops for the new faucet. Installing a shut off in the house to shut off all the water is a great idea. What would you do if you had a major leak, wait a few weeks for the city while the house is destroyed?

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Like rjniles suggested---call a different plumber--There as several ways to change a main shutoff without shutting off the water at the street. The freeze method is the safest in this situation.

Here is one I used last month when a jack hammer hit and crushed the copper main--with 2 feet of snow covering the Buffalo box.Crushed Water Main--Happy Accident - General Discussion - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum
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and the main shut-off is broken. The plumber can not replace the main because the city can't shut off the water from the outside for weeks. Why?
Ayuh,... You can always just swap out the main valve, Without turning off the supply...
I've done it,...
Ya might get alittle wet, but it's perfectly Doable....
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Great advice. Thanks all. I should clarify that typically the city can come shut off the water on the same day. The sidewalk issue is an unusual one. I will help her find a plumber who will freeze the line. Maybe we'll just open the door and let winter in! LOL.

Bondo, I may go for it and swap out the kitchen tap with the water on.
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Where is the water meter? That's usually where the shutoff valve would be. And you wouldn't need the city to do anything - curb keys can be purchased at most big box stores.

Why would a shutoff valve be underneath a sidewalk?
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Here is one I used last month when a jack hammer hit and crushed the copper main--with 2 feet of snow covering the Buffalo box.Crushed Water Main--Happy Accident - General Discussion - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum[/quote]

Neat product. Their site says not to use the device with the water on. Am I understanding you correctly and you used it successfully with water pressure fully on? Sure sounds worth a try for the 1/2 inch supply lines to the kitchen tap.
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Where is the water meter? That's usually where the shutoff valve would be. And you wouldn't need the city to do anything - curb keys can be purchased at most big box stores.

Why would a shutoff valve be underneath a sidewalk?
Calling the city is SOP here in Calgary. The plumber isn't allowed to turn off water from the street. The city had to come out when I had my main valve replaced. Believe it or not, not everyone is on a meter yet. My friend isn't.
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I had the water blasting full tilt---No choice,really.

A compression ball valve (with the valve in the open position) can be slipped over a running line--then tightened and closed.---Messy but it can and has been done many times.
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Sorry, I don't know the details but figured I would post and let the folks here investigate. Looks like a solution that may not get you as WET as the others.

CRAZY EXPENSIVE though...(that Jet Swet kit was $250 also)

http://www.boilersupplies.com/ballva...d-a-valve.html

There is a you tube video that shows the install. Just search "Add-a-valve install".

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I had the water blasting full tilt---No choice,really.

A compression ball valve (with the valve in the open position) can be slipped over a running line--then tightened and closed.---Messy but it can and has been done many times.
Ayuh,... Exactly how I did it Mike,...

3/4" copper from the street...

Luckily, it was in a well drained Cellar...
Be a real mess inside the house...
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The one I did recently had a nice big trench in the floor----that was handy.

I did a live cut in on the second floor of a town house once---I sure didn't charge enough for that --

All went well---but I aged ten years ---talk about a possible disaster--The things we do when we're young and invincible!!
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I would try the one oh'mike mentioned the compression valve it sounds like the cheapest and most logical.
I would open every cold faucet I could find to try to lower the pressure on the main.
If I had a PRV I would reset it to the lowest setting.
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May be difficult to find someone who does it, but in the Navy a few times we used a freeze seal when there was no other way to isolate something that was leaking.
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I feel bad for your friend - but if I were in your shoes I would offer to help pay for a plumber before I messed around with this.

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I am helping a friend who has been without her kitchen faucet for a month.
If she's been without it for a month I bet she could live with it for a few more weeks.

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My friend has young kids and the situation is getting scary.
What will be really scary is cutting the pipe trying to fix it while the water is running and not being able to stop it.

Seriously, if you are a friend and not a plumber are you 100% POSITIVE that you can do this repair? What happens if you succeed in the repair but cause damage to her house?

I've been in a situation once where I had no shut-off at a tub and broke a pipe. In the time it took me to RUN down two flights of stairs to the shut off in the basement a STAGGERING amount of water poured out into my bathroom/hall. It took every towel in my house to soak it all up.

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