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Old 03-27-2013, 11:53 AM   #1
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I generally fairly handy, but plumbing intimidates the heck out of me, so I find myself at an impasse here.

I recently removed my old builder grade toilet and linoleum in an upstairs bath and put down wood look tile that raised the floor about 5/8". The base for upstairs is concrete, except for around the toilet flange. This appears to be some plastic square leading to the waste pipe that was put down and the concrete poured around it leaving room for the wax ring.
My issue with that is there isn't any real way to anchor to it like there would have been with concrete.

So I have the 5/8" difference between the flange and the tile now, no way as of yet to anchor a new flange like an oatey unit, and no idea what's next..

Any ideas? I'll get more photos up in a bit.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:56 AM   #2
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Here is the height diff.


One thought is to remove the rough tile,
Then re-install tile to match up closer to the drain, then install a new flange and use the tile/mortar as an anchor to drill into to secure it.
I'll just have to find a 3.5" diameter flange to fit it.
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Not that it's the right way to do things, but
I've heard of people stacking a couple of wax rings on the flange to make up the difference in height.
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I generally fairly handy, but plumbing intimidates the heck out of me, so I find myself at an impasse here.

I recently removed my old builder grade toilet and linoleum in an upstairs bath and put down wood look tile that raised the floor about 5/8". The base for upstairs is concrete, except for around the toilet flange. This appears to be some plastic square leading to the waste pipe that was put down and the concrete poured around it leaving room for the wax ring.
My issue with that is there isn't any real way to anchor to it like there would have been with concrete.

So I have the 5/8" difference between the flange and the tile now, no way as of yet to anchor a new flange like an oatey unit, and no idea what's next..

Any ideas? I'll get more photos up in a bit.

Thanks in advance.
Can you explain the bold print better?
Is there a flange installed now?
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:42 PM   #5
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I'm with E. Is there a flange there now? If what I'm seeing is the flange then that thing needs work anyway. This plastic square also has me scratching my head at the moment.
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Did the flange go with the toilet?
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Looks like you don't have a flange. You should, #1 install a flange. You can get one from any hardware store and just bolt it to the concrete. Now, for your wax ring... skip it. Go with Fernco's waxless flange. You'll love it. It's great. It's $5 and you won't have to worry about some gap between the flange and your toilet. Check it out on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Fernco-Inc-FTS...co+toilet+seal
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Clean up the ring on the esisting toilet flange get long tee bolts and a 4 inch or 3 inch depending on your pipe size toilet seal and install it on your new toilet.

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

If you managed to break your toilet flange you will need to carefully peel the hub out of your pipe without cutting the pipe... Good luck....
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Clean up the ring on the esisting toilet flange get long tee bolts and a 4 inch or 3 inch depending on your pipe size toilet seal and install it on your new toilet.

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/wax-free-toilet-seal

If you managed to break your toilet flange you will need to carefully peel the hub out of your pipe without cutting the pipe... Good luck....

Nice! Another Fernco supporter! Love their waxless ring.
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I'll do my best to explain this setup, but its all new to me.

The flange is built into the floor and isn't the typical flange ring. The way I imagine it was made was a sewer pipe came up, then they put a square synthetic material flange thing into it, and then smoothed it over the subfloor with concrete but left a roundish part if that synthetic material as the flange surface. The spots for the T bolts are built in on the sides as you can see in this photo.
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Your telling me some one get himself a handy andy plumber and he used epoxy to repair a broken flange instead of doing a proper repair? LOL


My next question do you want to fix it the correct way?

Is the pipe cast iron or ABS plastic?

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If the bolts line up with the toilet and that "flange" is anchored- set it as described above
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I just picked up the Fernco FTS-4 today and I am going to give it a go. I'm hoping because its less than 3/4" depth diff that it will work out. I guess a benefit of tile, a
Concrete base, and synthetic baseboards is I can survive a worst case scenario leak :-|
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Whatever was installed was builder grade, just a weird way of doing it with no easy way to change it up at a later date. The bolts line up, so I'm gonna give it a go.
Btw I called a local plumber and they knew what it was and said it was a "box", and that to change it up they'd charge $300... The fernco seems like a screaming deal.
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Good luck with it. I got a few at a trade show and was remodeling my bath with tile and new toilet. As you know it takes time to set tile. Since I sleep on the second floor and it was the only bath I decided to slap that fernco in on the new toilet and sit it. It was tight but a little dish soap and she went in the pipe. Anyways I ended up resetting that toilet about 4 times with that fernco.... No mess and no fuss....

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