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Old 10-19-2012, 05:10 PM   #1
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This is my first attempt at replacing a toilet, so I could use some help. I've posted (hopefully) a picture below which will hopefully make it easier to describe my issue. After removing the old wax seal, we noticed outer ring of the flange was sticking up here and there, so I tried to remove it thinking it was a separate piece. After having to use drill bits to release the old corroded screws, I come to the realization that maybe that piece ISN'T a separate piece after all...the entire flange is moving whenever I try to pry that outer section off. By looking at the picture below, can you tell what's going on? How do I proceed from here? I bought a "Superior Tools Super Ring." (See 2nd picture below) Is that going to be useful at all? Could I just set that on top of the old flange and be good to go? And last question, do I have to make sure something is level and at the same height as the tile before continuing on?

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Old 10-19-2012, 07:17 PM   #2
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Unless that original flange is completely cracked and comes up easily, the repair one you bought will work fine. Follow the directions closely and there should be no problems. As for it being perfectly level and at the same height as the finished floor? Yes it would be ideal, but if you use a thicker wax ring it should make up for any slight imperfections.

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It will work if that funky looking floor will hold screws.
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Also my first tiling job Believe it or not, there's hardie board underneath all of that extra thinset and grout.

Should I use new screws for the flange where possible? Or will screwing down the Super Ring be enough to hold everything in place?

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Screw both down together. If needed drill new holes in original flange to match new/repair flange and its position in relation to the t bolts and toilet.
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I've never used one of those repair plates, but in that first picture the entire flange looks like it's cracked in a complete circle.


Please tell me i'm wrong.
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Ideally, the bottom of the flange should be sitting on top of the tile. If the top of your flange is level with the tile then definitely use a thick wax ring. As previously mentioned, screw down both the old flange and the new "super ring" to the floor and you should be good to go.
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Thanks everyone!

Alan: that's what I wasn't sure about...in all the pictures I've seen, all of the flanges look like they are one solid piece, whereas this appears to have a separate outer ring that is not connected, but put together in a way that you can't take the outer ring off (some sort of lip underneath maybe?). Any ideas? Is it SUPPOSED to be all one piece and over the past 35 years (I'm guessing it's original to the house) it has come apart? I just haven't seen any pictures online that look similar to mine.

So was the "funky floor" comment in regards to the tile not being all the way under the flange?
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Thanks everyone!

Alan: that's what I wasn't sure about...in all the pictures I've seen, all of the flanges look like they are one solid piece, whereas this appears to have a separate outer ring that is not connected, but put together in a way that you can't take the outer ring off (some sort of lip underneath maybe?). Any ideas? Is it SUPPOSED to be all one piece and over the past 35 years (I'm guessing it's original to the house) it has come apart? I just haven't seen any pictures online that look similar to mine.

So was the "funky floor" comment in regards to the tile not being all the way under the flange?
I've seen plastic flanges crack like that before. Usually if they have a separate ring, the ring is metal. I guess someone can correct me if i'm wrong.

In regards to elevation of your flange : Unless you're really really low, don't worry about it. This is a dead horse that I don't want to start beating again, but depending on the flange, if it's on top of the floor, some toilets won't sit properly on it, and therefore have 1/4" gap between the toilet and the floor to maintain the integrity of the wax seal. Yes, code does require the flange to be mounted to the finished floor. We get away with not doing it because of that problem.

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I prefer to use something like this, just because it goes into existing pipe, the gasket will seal it, screw it in place to the floor. This photo is from home depot and they cost about $15. Just area you want to do right the first time.
If it leaks, you will find out after the damage is done.
It can sit on top of the hardibacker, make sure it is sitting flat and not rocking on grout.
You will have a repair you can feel confident about it.
they are made for both 3" and 4" pipe, make sure you know which size you have.
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