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Old 04-01-2011, 10:00 AM   #1
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Hey guys, I am in the process of redoing and expanding my bathroom. Even though there is no structural walls being touched my town wants drawings of before and after, fixtures, pipes and window locations. It must be completely legible or they might force me to hire an architect which will cost me thousands I dont have. Does anyone know any architect software that I can use that is not that exp?????

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The easiest way is to get some 11 x 17 1/4 line and draw it up, otherwise there is Google sketch which is free but there a learning curve that you may not have time to deal with.

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Hey Mark, problem is they want actually drawings of the freaking fixtures! Never heard of google sketch?
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Sorry to hear that, another reason not to get a permit, but google sketch is share ware, just search on the web and download, it is not very intuitive, but what do you want for free.

Fixtures are really not that hard to draw, I sure hope they aren't looking for artistic quality drawings, I am sure they just want to see the layout for proper plumbing clearances.

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Mark, I had no choice. When I converted oil to gas the inspector walked all over my freaking house I needed to him to give me a co or the gas company would never have installed the meter. This permit is going to cost me $600, total waste.

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You are welcome and good luck, with what seems to be a SOB of an inspector.

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Go to your local library. There is a book call Graphic Standards for Architects, or Timesaver Standards, or something similar (several different books). Probably in the reference section.

Photocopy the pages of the bathrooms and use their sketches of the fixtures. Cut and paste onto graph paper with blue lines. Draw your walls, and make a copy with the contrast turned down -- the blue lines will drop out.

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Mark, I had no choice. When I converted oil to gas the inspector walked all over my freaking house I needed to him to give me a co or the gas company would never have installed the meter. This permit is going to cost me $600, total waste.

thanks for your help!
So what if the inspector has walked all over your house and knows what your bathroom looks like? If you choose not to get a permit, how will he know if you remodel it? Inspectors will sometimes stop if they're driving by and see obvious construction going on (like a deck or something) but they can't go into your house.
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You should be able to do this very easily yourself. You can get the paper, all the fixture and cabinet stencils at a good office supply company, they should have a drafting section. Then go down to the city talk to them, they should have a pamplet handout of what is required. You can talk directly to one of the plan checkers and he should be able to help with any further questions.
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Go to a drafting store, they have templates with the outlines of fixtures.
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Find a finished drawing in a book somewhere. Copy it and take it to those theivin' suckers and tell them that's your bathroom. Hell they won't know it isn't. If they inspect you later and catch on tell them your wife made a few minor changes.

I wouldn't get a permit to begin with. Just quietly disappear and forget about it. Do your remodel and get on with your life.

Six hundred bucks for that permit is just plain ludacris.
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Just take some digital pics then convert it to a pencil sketch with an online program Like this haha http://www.dumpr.net/sketch.php
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Guys, may I ask what is the issues I will have if I do not apply for this permit??

They want 4 of the following!
drawings of old bathroom
drawings of new bathroom
drawings of old plumbing
drawings of new plumbing
drawings of old window
drawings of new window

Photographs of everything!
about $600 for permit

So if i do not apply for a permit and do EVRYTHING by code and the house is old construction.

can they demand to walk inside to see whats going on?
Can they "stop order" construction even though its a live in residence?
Send me to court?
Fine me??

Thanks guys!,. this is crazy!! Its a bathroom at the SAME location! I am not adding a second floor for Christ Sakes!
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can they demand to walk inside to see whats going on?
Can they "stop order" construction even though its a live in residence?
Send me to court?
Fine me??
since you have already contacted them concerning this, I would be extremely cautious of doing any work without a permit. They are already aware of your intentions so it wouldn't be difficult to catch you doing some sort of work if they wanted to.

can they demand to walk inside? No, but a court can and if they can support a claim for a search warrant, they can obtain one.

can they issue a stop work order? Absolutely

send you to court? Absolutely although usually this is remedied before it gets to that point by the builder obtaining a permit and in my area, paying a double the permit fee as a fine.

can they fine you? absolutely.

and I just realized; you are putting in a new window so there is no way to escape this being known, at least that part of the work.

Oh, one more thing: if they do catch you working without a permit, especially if it is already done, they can order you to "undo" the work or at least open up walls so they can inspect the work.

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Hey guys, I am in the process of redoing and expanding my bathroom. Even though there is no structural walls being touched my town wants drawings of before and after, fixtures, pipes and window locations. It must be completely legible or they might force me to hire an architect which will cost me thousands I dont have. Does anyone know any architect software that I can use that is not that exp?????

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I doubt you need an architect, a drafter can probably give you what you need for a few hundred bucks.

You did say “expanding the bathroom” and “new window”, sounds like you’re altering the structure to me.

Maybe $1000 for drawings, permits, and piece of mind.

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