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Old 03-20-2012, 02:46 PM   #16
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You might try calling the city to see if the can camera/jet their main line

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You are correct, a dig party will happen fairly soon, but I'm sure I'll be the only attending with a shovel. Luckily it isn't bad digging as the line isn't too far down, 4'-5' max. The problem will be the deck above it and the playhouse for the kids. The alley side is my other main concern and I wonder what the city will require if I have to dig up the alley to tap into the main.
I think you'll be in over your head (literally). Most municipalities require licensed contractors to excavate in the alley. Likewise, a 5' trench with a shovel isn't as easy as you make it sound. Depending on soil conditions, you may even need a trench box, etc. I wouldn't attempt it. That's just my 2 cents. With the obstructions that are in your way, i.e. deck, playhouse, etc. I'd suggest getting bids on bursting or lining the pipe.
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Idk what he would charge if the ditch was already dug, I guess it depends if he likes you or not haha. Just make sure your pipe has the correct pitch. All you would do is just uncover the old pipe anyways and wait for the contractor to come and cut it out and install new stuff. You wouldnt wanna rip it out then be stuck without a potty
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I think you'll be in over your head (literally). Most municipalities require licensed contractors to excavate in the alley. Likewise, a 5' trench with a shovel isn't as easy as you make it sound. Depending on soil conditions, you may even need a trench box, etc. I wouldn't attempt it. That's just my 2 cents. With the obstructions that are in your way, i.e. deck, playhouse, etc. I'd suggest getting bids on bursting or lining the pipe.
The alley is the portion that concerns me, I agree, I could see where they would want a licensed contractor for that, but that is where my good friend might come in handy. I could probably pay him something to pull the permits and bring in one of his plumbers for that portion, but I could be wrong. As for my neighbors nephew, I'm sure we could work something out as well, he's already wanting to swap me some labor on some other things, I'm just not sure he's licensed in my county, would have to check.

As for the rest of the digging, that portion isn't that hard. Very favorable soil in my area!
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Decided to call the city and they said the main was an 8" clay tile and all that he new about it was that it was dated 1/1/1910, no plans or anything. I asked about the connection and he said, since he had no plans, his guess was just that they busted a hole in the side and cemented the two pipes together as that is how they would have done it in 1910.

He said it's scheduled for a cleaning later this year, but he'd bump it up and send a camera down it and look at the tap for my property, guessing they'll look at all of them, and if there is a problem he'd try to call me, if not I would definately get a letter in the mail.

Sounds fair enough and should give me an idea as to how to proceed!!
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Read and heed, I came home not too long ago for lunch. I ate lunch and left out, about an hour later. When I got to the end of the block there was a lot of commotion. I quickly accessed the situation and made necessary notifications. Upon looking in the hole I observed one body chest deep in the dirt and one arm sticking out of the collapsed earth. By now the first due in Engine Company arrived. We went to a near by construction site and took plywood to shore up the walls and extricated the first victim. The second victim was not so lucky. First responders were ordered out of the hole. The rescue became a recovery once the trench collapse and confined space rescue/recovery team arrived. Please do not enter the hole without a trench box.
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Sounds like a plan. You better be in shape if you are digging down 5 feet deep and 15 feet long. That's like 2-3 days of hard labor, and that's if it doesn't rain and fill your trench with water or you run into ground water. See if you can rent a mini excavator for a few hundred bucks. It'd be worth it. Also, don't forget to call in a stake out for utilities. Might be something there and if you hit it, you are responsible.
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Sounds like a plan. You better be in shape if you are digging down 5 feet deep and 15 feet long. That's like 2-3 days of hard labor, and that's if it doesn't rain and fill your trench with water or you run into ground water. See if you can rent a mini excavator for a few hundred bucks. It'd be worth it. Also, don't forget to call in a stake out for utilities. Might be something there and if you hit it, you are responsible.

the main is deeper then 5 feet here anyways at least.
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Yikes. 5 ft of dirt is about 500 pounds of force if it collapses on you. We have a video on our youtube channel of when we were working at a boces and the banks caved in. It's gnarly, you could get killed pretty quickly if you are below 4-5 feet. Use a trench box or overdig your hole by alot.


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the main is deeper then 5 feet here anyways at least.

No clue how deep it is here, wish I had thought to ask when I had the city on the phone. I am one of the few on my street to have a basement and my main line exits the house at a depth of about 3' and is about 4'-5' where the last cleanout is.

I know of several houses a few blocks away that have their main lines under their basement slabs. So I am curious how deep the main is on my street. I am curious if it gets to the end and drops straight down or if it T's off. That might answer a lot of questions....

If/when I actually dig the trench to complete the replacement, I'll take the necessary safety percautions. Thanks! The digging is hard work, but it really digs easy and I would dig it about 2'+ wide, so I'd have room to work. The alley portion would be done with a rented machine or I'll pay someone to do it, that surely would be a PIA to dig!
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another option is that if the clay tile is just allowing roots to grow in a few feet or so, you could have someone use Pipe Patch. They would snake out the pipe so it's opened up a full 4 inches, and then use this fiberglass resin patch. That way you wouldn't even have to dig anywhere and it might cost .. 12-1500? Idk, just an idea, it's your call man. Good luck with your project though!



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another option is that if the clay tile is just allowing roots to grow in a few feet or so, you could have someone use Pipe Patch. They would snake out the pipe so it's opened up a full 4 inches, and then use this fiberglass resin patch. That way you wouldn't even have to dig anywhere and it might cost .. 12-1500? Idk, just an idea, it's your call man. Good luck with your project though!



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Is that actually a good fix, sounds like an expensive band-aid, but I'll admit, I've never heard of it before, so I won't knock it without knowing more.

With that said, I'm sure I'll end up digging up the last section of yard and having it replaced, and see what comes back from the city to see how to proceed with the rest. Maybe I'll get 'lucky' and they will say it's their side that's the problem at which point I could hire someone to trench to their side, tie in and be done. Problem is that Murphy fellow is out to get me!!!
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I will have to say that the main my vary in each area. so that is something you will have to find out.
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Master Brain, let us know how deep your main is if you find out.
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Master Brain, let us know how deep your main is if you find out.

Will do, but it may be a few months. I'm hoping it's fairly shallow, which is what I'm guessing since they didn't put my line under the basement floor. I'll be a bit upset if I find it could have been burried under the concrete, would have made my basement remodel much simpler!!

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