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Old 05-09-2013, 07:33 PM   #31
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badtheba is the exact person who would sue the propane company if something- anything - went wrong inside of his house.

They have to cover their butts, and for good reason.
I agree. totally inapropriate comment. Unfortunatly we sometimes have to deal with stuff like this to get the good answers you need. Glad you were able to get your problem resolved. By the way, the natural gas supplier in my area will also tag a water heater with a broken/cracked knob.

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let me just say...there are many and i mean many diy projects homeowners are able to do...but when it come to gas or propane even if the homeowner is somewhat trained or capable to repair or replace...it should be left to the certified contractor who will ensure the safety of the home and more important all those who live there...imo ben sr
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As far as reducing bushings on gas lines...they have a tendancy to crack if overtightened. The cracks sometimes can not be detected too easily. I had a gas leak repair call several years ago. The system had not been touched for years. Suddenly, the customer could smell gas. after we pressure tested the line, it was pretty easy to find the cracked bushing. Swapped it out with a bell reducer and all was good. We suspect that the bushing failed after several years due to fatigue as the crack looked fresh when we opened it up
This is exactly why bushing are not to be nested and is in the Canadian Gas Code.
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This is all i will say in regards to this post, don't know about the upper states but in Florida only a licensed plumber can perform a drop test and pressure test on a gas line LP or Nat, Gas it must be certified by the contractor, the gas companies only will turn gas off when leaks are suspected or detected, they can only turn the gas back on after it has been inspected and tested by a certified contractor. homeowners should be the last person questioning safety issues when it comes to gas.

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Also, they checked all the supply pipes coming in from outside and said that some reducer bushings from 3/4" to 1/2", which have been in place for 15 years and obviously passed inspection before, are not up to code (which is really none of their business), and the T's that the reducers come off of will have to be replaced before they will turn it back on.
What this really means is thats money that i am going to have to spend for something that been there for 15 years,by the way it is really the gas companies business. not yours.
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This is all i will say in regards to this post, don't know about the upper states but in Florida only a licensed plumber can perform a drop test and pressure test on a gas line LP or Nat, Gas it must be certified by the contractor, the gas companies only will turn gas off when leaks are suspected or detected, they can only turn the gas back on after it has been inspected and tested by a certified contractor. homeowners should be the last person questioning safety issues when it comes to gas.

badtheba' this is your quote from your first post

What this really means is thats money that i am going to have to spend for something that been there for 15 years,by the way it is really the gas companies business. not yours.
As of this morning everything has been completed. New heater installed yesterday, and the propane company had no interest in being there at the same time as my plumbing contractor. I even went into their office and looked at their calendar side by side with them while the office lady called the tech. He/they had the time, so I don't know why they wouldn't want to hook it up with the plumber still there, but they scheduled it for this morning and it's all finalized.

In MI, As far as the homeowner working on their own stuff, from my knowledge the things we wouldn't be able to legally do ourselves would be anything that requires a permit to be pulled (structural changes, relocating electrical panels, etc.). The LP co and the plumber I hired assured me I could legally do it myself (although I chose not to). For commercial buildings it's another story. For example, it would technically be illegal for a commercial building owner to replace certain electrical parts, even some of the simplest outlets and switches.

They did not red flag the pipes, they only red flagged the heater and made me aware of the pipes/bushings, but said they probably wouldn't turn it back on unless both were corrected. This led me to believe that they didn't have the authority to shut me off based on something that may be grandfathered in, and not knowing the code is the entire reason for my asking questions here. My comment about code violations being none of the LP co's business was in regards to my assumptions about construction codes, not leaks. The plumber has the same type of leak test they use, but couldn't do it with it locked out, which meant another day and another service call. If they could legally shut someone off because of finding a reducer bushing, then why wouldn't they have red flagged it as well in this instance? Knowing more now, I can see reasoning behind all of it, and I have no wish to argue with anyone with more knowledge than me. My only urge is that some in this community withhold some of the absurd character judgement that seems to come automatically. People in general come to forums for HELP, not to be bashed in the head.
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Glad your complete and it was done correct
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Im glad its done too, but I dont get the grandfathered in thing. If bushings are know to be a problem, then why wasent it fixed?

If the techs smelled gas, then why did they not stay until they found the leak? I really dont get "Well we didnt find the leak but we found this this and this, so we are shutting you down" Well are those things the source of the leak? No, but we are shutting you down anyway".

I am completely on board with bringing everything up to the latest standards, if the old standards were found wanting, but in this case it does not sound like that even happened, or am I wrong?

By the way, how was the inside of the water heater? Maybe all of this saved you from a flooded out house at the end of the day.
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If the techs smelled gas, then why did they not stay until they found the leak? I really dont get "Well we didnt find the leak but we found this this and this, so we are shutting you down" Well are those things the source of the leak? No, but we are shutting you down anyway".
Same with the water department. They're not going to look around under your house to see if they can find the source of the water leak. If you're using 1000's of gallons of water, they know you have a leak somewhere and they notify you and shut you off. Your property is not part of their responsibility, but if there's a leak, they care about the water being wasted.

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Im glad its done too, but I dont get the grandfathered in thing. If bushings are know to be a problem, then why wasent it fixed?

If the techs smelled gas, then why did they not stay until they found the leak? I really dont get "Well we didnt find the leak but we found this this and this, so we are shutting you down" Well are those things the source of the leak? No, but we are shutting you down anyway".

I am completely on board with bringing everything up to the latest standards, if the old standards were found wanting, but in this case it does not sound like that even happened, or am I wrong?

By the way, how was the inside of the water heater? Maybe all of this saved you from a flooded out house at the end of the day.
According to them, they put a drop test on the outside and the pressure fell very slightly over 5/10 minutes or more. They came indoors and said they found a slight leak at the valve behind my stove, which was fixed by tightening the fittings. That was 30' away (by straight pipe, one elbow to go up through the floor) from one of the tees/bushings they were concerned about. From that point on they did away with looking for a visible leak with a soap solution and used an electronic toxic gas sniffer. The guy said they are really sensitive, and they only use them if they get a pressure drop, as they always like to visibly see a leak. They found nothing else. According to this https://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/t15382/ even a lot of experts are confused by when and where the bushings are allowed. I have no idea if it was once allowed in my area and now is not.
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I'm not a plumber or pipe fitter so I cannot speak on code requirements. I am a residential designer, and when designing I ensure compliance with the code but I also do most things above the minimum code requirements. Maybe this gas company does also, I can only speculate. It is within their right as you could always select a different vendor. same applies to my clients, if they only want to do bare minimum then they can hire another designer. make sense?

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I'm not a plumber or pipe fitter so I cannot speak on code requirements. I am a residential designer, and when designing I ensure compliance with the code but I also do most things above the minimum code requirements. Maybe this gas company does also, I can only speculate. It is within their right as you could always select a different vendor. same applies to my clients, if they only want to do bare minimum then they can hire another designer. make sense?

Glad to see that things worked out for you.
Yeah, I assume that's why they didn't red flag it. It seems also like a regional thing. Interesting thing though in looking at that other forum I mentioned. The fuel gas code indicates they only can't be used in enclosed spaces (along with other various outlawed fittings).
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Lawsuit or no lawsuit I think most Companies, inspectors, mechanics that are affiliated with gas products and materials think about the safety of human beings. The lawsuit is the last thing they think of.
That is true mostly, I say "mostly" because a major lawsuit and the resulting bad media press etc can put a small business totally OUT of business and into bankruptcy, so that possibility is always on the mind.
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jagans Im glad its done too, but I dont get the grandfathered in thing. If bushings are know to be a problem, then why wasent it fixed?
Thats a good Point Jagans, there's two side to every story, i wouldn't wanna be the contractor who put his hads on that system last in the event of a problem. i dont know in his state county etc, here if you work on a system and find violations and do not correct them you are held responsible, no if and or buts, your license gets pulled until you go in front of the board
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hey javiles....you are right about making corrections to any code violations...i think in every state ITS EXPECTED for a contractor to correct any code violations he finds on any job he works on .....not good when a contractor leaves a job and homeowner changes something that does not meet code...ben sr

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