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tomberlins 10-07-2012 11:00 AM

Loose Toilet Question (With Pics)
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I am stumped! I had a toilet that was loose on the floor, when it shifted too much the bowl would over flow. I decided to replace the wax ring this morning and to make sure what parts I need before heading to the store I tried to unscrew both bolts. Of course the both snapped off.

After removing the toilet I am totally confused. There is no wax ring and tons of corrosion. After breaking away some of the calcium build and corrosion I finally found the flange. The flange wasn't screwed or nailed in, it appears to be set in some kind of plaster. The flange was cracked and broken and the channels on each side for the bolts were solid with plaster. I have chipped away the junk around the flange and pried it off the floor. But it appears there is some kind of metal underneath the old flange. I am going to attach some pics but I am totally confused???where do I attach a new flange?

mae-ling 10-07-2012 11:13 AM

Is there access below? Looks like it may be a concrete floor.

There are rings with a gasket that you screw to the floor then wax ring to the toilet perhaps one of them may work?
Can't remember the name maybe someone else will be along who knows the name.

tomberlins 10-07-2012 11:15 AM

It's an off grade house - I've been under near every inch of it and can't imagine that it is concrete.

joecaption 10-07-2012 11:28 AM

That metal sticking up is lead, the floor looks like an old mud job.
I use my ossilating saw to cut off the lead so it's even with the top of the hole and use one of these to replace the flange. It gets Tap-Coned to the floor making sure the key holes line up where the new closet bolts are going to go.

tomberlins 10-07-2012 11:44 AM

Thanks for the reply Joe. I see how that flange will work and I understand about trimming down the lead. What do you mean by "tap-coned" to the floor?

Thank you!!

joecaption 10-07-2012 11:49 AM

tomberlins 10-07-2012 11:54 AM

Really appreciate the help - my wife is standing next to me and amazed that people are so helpful.

I might come out of this smelling like roses! Well maybe not quite that good

joecaption 10-07-2012 01:16 PM

If you own you own home just wait, something will come up to put you back in the dog house real soon, you can count on that. lol

In one month we had the TV poop out, a dimmer switch died I replaced it with a brand new one and it was bad, the distribution box on the septic tank broke and caved in, fan switch in the bathroom went bad.
I spend all day working on other peoples stuff then come home and have to do more. I like it better working on other peoples stuff I get paid for that.

tomberlins 10-12-2012 05:15 AM

So I bought the device Joe caption suggested and trimmed the lead with a reciprocating saw. Got a new wax ring and got to work...

Problem #1 - the tube that comes out of the bottom of the toilet to go into the drain is too wide to fit into the fancy flange. It just sits on the PVC an inch or two off the floor. So I went back to the big box floor and got a new wax ring and just a plain old flange without the fancy extension...

Problem #2 - the actual drain has a bend immediately below the level of the floor. So that same tube coming out of the bottom of the toilet makes contact with the drain pipe. So with the toilet back in place it rocks just like it did before I took the whole thing apart.

So do I try trim down the tube coming out of the toilet. I am really at a loss here...

Thanks for any help you can provide...

hammerlane 10-12-2012 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tomberlins (Post 1029268)
Problem #1 - the tube that comes out of the bottom of the toilet to go into the drain is too wide to fit into the fancy flange

Is this what you are referring to when you say the tube that comes out of the bottom of the toilet??

If so you want to try cutting or trimming that?/ Good luck with that idea. You will definitely be in the dog house then.

tomberlins 10-12-2012 10:11 AM

That's it! But the one on my toilet is much longer. I know it seems like a terrible idea but I don't know what else to do.

plumberinlaw 10-12-2012 11:21 AM

Mnnn, you could replace the toilet with a new Toto toilet.

tomberlins 10-12-2012 12:09 PM

I'd like to avoid the $200 for a new toilet...

bbo 10-12-2012 01:06 PM

you could try to trim it down, then when it cracks, you'll be forced to get a new toilet.

I've heard of people shimming the toilet ( google toilet shims)

you can also use two wax rings ( won't hurt )

tomberlins 10-12-2012 03:31 PM

So after further inspection I realized that my floor was pretty unlevel (72 year old home). So I did use 2 small pieces of carpenter shims and it worked perfectly.

New problem is the boot that connects the tank to the bowl is leaking now - good grief....

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