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Old 01-23-2007, 10:06 PM   #31
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Ron, man look at you -- You're like a master at this!

First up -- Not sure what a studor vent is -- I assume it's something I put on top of the open hole that will go nowhere on top of the tee?

Second, if you ran a pipe stright down from the metal drain to the cabinet floor, it will be about 3 inches (1 and 1/2 hole lengths) further front than the hole towards the back of the cabinet -- Does that change anything about the diagram? I assume then that the trap should direct connect right to the tee or does a piece of PVC need to go between?

Thanks for taking all this time with me! I hope others can learn from this thread as well, it's great stuff for a newbie DIYer like me.

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Old 01-23-2007, 11:02 PM   #32
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Being a strong believer in the picture is worth 1000 words adage, here's my progress so far (note I am just sizing stuff up, no glue yet!)

The trap is in 2 pieces and obviously just screwed together. If you think I will need a shorter trap extension let me know, the extension I attached is quite long (it would overshoot the drain in the back if I turned it towards the back).

Not sure how well it shows in the photo, but the back pipe is indeed a couple inches behind the trap/drain.

I'll hit the Home Depot tomorrow, so if you have any pieces you suggest I can buy to make this a cleaner fit, do tell! Also, you can see the pieces I still have left on the right, and I can of course cut the PVC to any size needed.

Much thanks, hope the photo ahead helps:

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Old 01-24-2007, 07:03 AM   #33
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Looks good so far, as for the studor vent, also called an inline vent, which you need, it will screw into a female adaptor, and the trap connection nut screws onto a trap adaptor, short pieces of pipe is needed between the adaptors, remember the trap swivels, so just make sure you can make the direct connection once all the pipe are glued up.
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Thanks Ron. I feel like I'm being a moron here because I can't seem to figure out the final pieces of this pipe puzzle. Sorry for being so dense.

I have two more photos here. The first is the trap going around the front, with the trap extension on there. No trap adaptor on the end. Turning it back that way, it's already past the point where the drain is coming up.

In the next photo, which may be a better approach, WITH the trap adaptor attached (At least I think/hope that's a trap adaptor I put on the end there? That's as tight as it fits and there are still quite a few threads exposed as you can see in photo #2), it terminates just above the hole. So, if I think I am understanding correctly, should I cut that trap extension short enough so it plus the trap adaptor end up just to the left of the drain spout, allowing me to extend that up with another piece of PVC with a tee (then with the opening pointing left) and a studor vent on top of the tee?

In which case, when looking at the second photo here, I would just need to cut the second trap piece shorter, add a piece of pvc, tee, and studor vent? Does the studor vent fit right into the top of the tee without any extra pieces? I don't think there was such a piece on the plumbing the way it was.

THANKS!!!! I hope I am almost there. Two photos below...

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After you get the tee, then cut the extention, (we call it the trap arm), to the desired lenght, the studor vent, in-line vent, will go as high as possible on top of the tee, thats why you will add pipe and a female adaptor on the top.

1st picture is the direction I would rotate the trap in.

Glue the tee on after you know where you want it. Last thing you want to do is have the tee turned to close or to far for the trap to connect, tee can be glued on in any direction, just so as long as the trap will connect.
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Ok, got the parts. New problem -- With the tee, plus a small pvc stub, plus the female adaptor, plus the in-line vent for the top of that, the height is WAY too much and it won't fit in (even if I slide the trap as low as I possibly can down the drain). Do I now need to purchase something to extend the drain down further before attaching the trap?

I've spent so much on PVC pieces I could probably have built a whole new sink.
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Cut the pieces of pipe that between the fitting until it fits.
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Actually that's not the issue, it's that the trap arm doesn't go low enough on the steel drain to allow enough upper clearance for the tee, plus even a tiny PVC, plus adaptor, plus vent.

Is there something I need to buy to allow the trap and the trap arm to hang lower in the cabinet? I think that's my only choice here unless you have another idea that works with what I already have.

Thanks, photo ahead with comments!


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Buy a 1-1/2" slipjoint etension tube, it will allow you to lower the trap off the bottom of the sink drain, get one at 12" and cut it lenght.
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Looks like what I need. Then the rest will be just measure, cut and glue! So that attachment photo just goes onto the drain first, right, then I add the original trap on to the bottom of THAT piece. Correct?

If so, hopefully next time you see my post it's to show you the finished product.
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Thats how it will work.
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Ok, here we go!

So we are in the home stretch now. I hooked up the faucet and have running water. No leaks there. Also have all the parts I need. I saw a flexible slipjoint extension so I picked that up as well, figuring it would allow me some room for error in the final fittings. I also did get the regular piece you suggested above in case I didn't like the flex (is it a bad idea? I can always cut and switch it to the standard non flex).

Anyway, without cutting the trap arm, the photo represents the best way I could do this right now. I ran some water and had just a couple minor drips, which is to be expected since nothing has been glued yet (just pressed together, don't worry!). I know you recommended going around the front, which I MAY be able to do, except the darn trap (not even the trap arm, just the trap itself) extends too far to the right of the drain pvc coming up from the floor to get a good angle at it.

However, I DID notice the thing was draining a bit slow -- Is this a symptom of running the water in the unnatural way I did? I may be able to make it work taking the trap around the front POSSIBLY.

Anyway, before I glue anything, here's two photos of where I'm at. Your opinions Ron? The first on the left is the way I had it working with cuts as they are. I also took the trap arm off and swung the trap around the way you suggested in the second photo on the right (probably the right way to do this?). As you might be able to see, it doesn't allow much room (not any really) for the trap arm to meet up with the drainage system (there is maybe an inch of open space between those two holes there back to front). If I cut the trap arm down to JUST BARELY a curve I could make it fit, I'm guessing.

How would you proceed? Oh, and since I'm close, how fast does PVC glue dry? I plan to glue the whole crazy apparatus together outside of the sink, then just glue the final drainage piece in when it's all said and done.

Photos ahead...And THANKS!!! I bet you missed me today. Hahah. Eagerly awaiting your advice as always...


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You can use that flex tailpiece if you like, there not code approved, reason is for it has ridges, these will collect scum and hair over time. Trap it around the backside is ok, slow drain mean the line is getting clogged up, and needs to be cleaned out.

Other then that looks good.
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If you do not have the 45 degree fittings glued then you may be able to rotate them to the other side of the drain and see if you can get a better alignment to the sink drain.

The glue drys fast. Usually less than a minute.

You may want to put marks on the fittings/pipe before you glue them so that you get the correct location.

Is this bathroom on the seccond floor or the first floor?

Do you have access to the drain line after it goes below this floor?

When you hit the old drain with the sledge hammer it may have damaged the fittings/drain line further down the line. You may want to keep on eye out for leaks further down. A hacksaw or pvc cutter would work better next time. All part of learning.

looks good so far.
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Hey Ron, Hey Redline!

The bathroom is on the lower level of the house, first floor. There is no basement so it basically goes right down into the sewage system under the vanity. I've replaced every pipe all the way to the floor so I think I did the best I could, though if you guys think putting some liquid plumber down there first would help I can do that.

Rotating the 45's the other way isn't a bad idea, actually. What do you think of that Ron? Also, a neighbor of mine was up and had a few comments -- He suggested I use a smaller run of PVC coming up out of the base there, and turn the 45's back so the plumbing runs up against the back wall, between the hot and cold inputs. Thoughts there?

Also, he suggested I don't have a proper studor vent, he said what I have looks like a mechanical vent and is not allowed!??! I paid around $5 for it but he said a studor vent is $20! Is that right? The the last line here didn't have any venting at all, and it worked fine for 6 years!!!

Oh and finally, I'll replace that flex tube with a non flex then. I want to do this right!

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