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Old 01-11-2009, 06:09 PM   #16
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Well I'm back. Sorry about the typos, not good typing and holding a beer with S_ _ _ on my hands.

I have not reinstalled the main floor toilet but the line is clear. I must have run 5 gallons of hot water through it and I snaked it to no avail. It dumps into the main drain stack directly above the cleanout. I checked the cleanout below at laest 4 times.
Attic vent lines are clear but had a bit of water, maybe a tablespoon? in them. Horizontal drain line in basement line from both 2nd floor toilets to main drain above cleanout was also clear. I cut into it 6" up line from the y, so I've been top to bottom. I have only two thoughts reamining. Either the vent stack iced over yesteday and thawed today in the sun before I got there causing all three toilets to clog ( it only protrudes 3-4 " through the roof or I have blockage downline between house and curb which somehow caused loss of flow further upline in 3 toilets at the same time on two separate branches? If this is the case, would the main floor toilet line being open now work as a secondary vent and improve the flushing from above?
The furthest toilet upline below the roof vent now flushes, gurgles, fills part way drains again then gurgles and fills to proper level in the bowl.
Ensuite has the whirlpool back, looks fine but this one almost always is trouble free.
So, it's Miller time again.

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Old 01-11-2009, 07:03 PM   #17
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It's better to stuff a rag into that open toilet drain, you'll get sewer gas into the house. I know you been running all over the house today. Yes, if main line going to the street is clogging, everything running into the pipe will be effected, maybe less so from the last toilet because it has a longer run to empty into. When you dumped the water into the pipe, is it possible to have someone watching the cleanout to see if the water is passing quickly, and, I start closest to where pipe exits the house and work back to see where the pipe is empty and where its full. May not be how we like to spend our sundays, but that is life, good luck
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Old 01-11-2009, 07:37 PM   #18
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Actually during far too frequent practise removing toilets I have found that a plastic bag stuffed with a tennis ball makes a good plug.
Thanks for hanging in there today. !!!
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Old 01-11-2009, 07:57 PM   #19
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this wouldn't affect three toilets but I'll put it out there anyway, I have one kohler toilet, one time some "matter" got lodged in what I can only call the blowhole at the bottom of the bowl. It would "bob" back and forth and cause the toilet to not flush right, finally seen it and removed it. Of course we are only guessing but seems like yours is clogged after leaving the house, can still snake that puppy.
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:13 PM   #20
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Well again because of the frequencey with plunging this one, when I removed it to paint last fall I decided to run a golf ball through the bowl out the bottom. Then today I checked it as well keeping it level in case there was a popsicle stick or something down there. So I'm stumped.
I do see the Fluidmaster waxless flange extension I put on has a reduced diameter neck hence the tennis ball in bag works to block it tonight and I think I'll go back to a conventional wax gasket when I reinstall, just to maximise my flush. Either way the mystery is still toilet 1 and 3 clogging on separate lines. Not sure if Kohler improved their flush mechanism as these are original Wellwoths from about 8 years ago and the ensuite is only 2 years old. Different valve? Some one in the other post mentioned upgrading the flapper valve for more velocity? I'm going to review that post just for kicks now that my hands are clean again.
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:43 PM   #21
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I have just run a new post about venting.
Just occurred to me that while in the attic I saw the ensuite has a 3" vent stack behind the toilet . That toilet rarely gives trouble so I assume it vents the toilet and maybe the shower. The full bath upstairs had only several small stacks,only 2, I think bath tub and sink but not toilet as there is a window above in an outside wall. Nothing else coming into the attic that I recall and on main floor no evidence of a separate vent stack except for the kitchen sink. Can the toilet tap into a small sink stack to vent or could this and higher usage be my issue?

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