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Old 02-27-2012, 11:53 AM   #1
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I just replaced my countertops - and when they did I got a new sink with new placement for disposal and drain.

The granite guys sent out a "plumber" to do the sink and disposal. He was here for 5 hours and I ended up with what is in the attached picture.

I am a novice, but just wanted to check because some things concern me.

1. The flex tubing used on the P-Trap. Is that OK?
2. The angle (or lack of angle) of the pipe between the disposal and the P-Trap.
3. The electrical conduit on the disposal was not cut for the shorter length, and is just wrapped up randomly.
4. The new air vent. He capped the old one and put the new one right on the pipe past the P-Trap.

And anything else I dont know about. I was hoping to get an experts opinion. I dont mind calling a plumber to do it right, I just dont know if he would come out and say "this is fine, you dont need me" - or "Im so glad you called..."

Thanks for any help.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:57 AM   #2
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Looks like a do over to me.
For all the reasons you mention plus it looks like the drains under the sinks look crooked.

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Old 02-27-2012, 12:04 PM   #3
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Joe, the crooked part is the vent.

The job looks ok, not the prettiest, but adequate.
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Time to call the granite guys up. Their plumber sucks Hope you haven't paid yet.
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Yes, the crooked part is the new vent. The old vent is the capped part in the back (with all of the glue around it).
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I will call the granite guy. But I know I will be in for a fight - and i dont know enough to have ammo to fight him with.

Could you elaborate on what exactly is not right - or to further clarify - what I should not expect from a "professional" install job? If I just say it is "ugly", I know he isnt going to do anything. Is anything against code, or is anything just "wrong"?

Thanks in advance. This is a big help to me as I just dont know what Im looking at - Im just going on gut feel.
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I'm taking about the fitting directly connected to the sink strainer.
That has to be perfecty straight. All that's sealing it is two flat surfaces with a flat washer between them. Not going to seal very well at an angle.
That vent was also not suppost be mounted at an angle.
http://www.ipscorp.com/pdf/studor/St...Spec_Sep08.pdf

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1. A real plumber should of been able to plumb that in without the flex.

2. put a level on it an post the photo. It does look like the high side is at the "T" inlet

3. That flexible metal conduit(FMC) should definitely be shortened. Also does this FMC just go thru a hole in the backside of the cabinet?
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I will call the granite guy. But I know I will be in for a fight - and i dont know enough to have ammo to fight him with.

Could you elaborate on what exactly is not right - or to further clarify - what I should not expect from a "professional" install job? If I just say it is "ugly", I know he isnt going to do anything. Is anything against code, or is anything just "wrong"?

Thanks in advance. This is a big help to me as I just dont know what Im looking at - Im just going on gut feel.
Let's start with step one- did he permit the work and was it inspected?
In my area it's required.
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These are pics of both sides of the flexible metal conduit - I didnt even notice the part under the disposal that looks cut!! And yes, it just goes to a hole in back of the cabinet - I pull it out to show you - it only was in about a quarter of an inch.

Also, pics of a level on the pipe - it is a crappy level but I think it clearly shows that it is not sloped to the ptrap but to the disposal.

Thanks again for any help. Im getting a sinking feeling.....
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Let's start with step one- did he permit the work and was it inspected?
In my area it's required.
No permit, no inspection.



Im pretty sure they see a woman and just think they can take advantage - which they did.
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BTW - I paid $250 for that "plumbing" job!!! All I can do is laugh to stop from crying.....
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Also, pics of a level on the pipe - it is a crappy level but I think it clearly shows that it is not sloped to the ptrap but to the disposal.

Thanks again for any help. Im getting a sinking feeling.....
I would call them back just on that.
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i was a plumber for 20 years and thats the kind of job i used to get called out to fix after the homeowner fixed it. easiest way was to take all the piping out and start over. if he was a plumber he definitely wasn't a good one or he would have hooked the original vent back up and everything would be straight.
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My list of corrections-
the flex conduit- already discussed
horizontal pipe back-graded to disposal. Also,
should be one piece from disposal to the tee
flex pipe- sign of an amateur in my opinion, and not code compliant
auto vent and tee not plumb- could affect operation, but definitively ugly
DW discharge hose not supported and sags, not graded to disposal

Will it function as is? Probably. Is it sub par for 250? Definitely.
I would call the granite installer and have a nice chat with him. Ask him to call the plumber's boss and send a different tech out to fix. Perhaps the plumber was having a bad day-give him the benefit of doubt for now.
I'm sure you spent a lot of money on your countertops. It's a shame to open the cabinet to see that "hack" work.

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