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Old 01-21-2013, 07:40 AM   #16
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Only place that I can think of that would use a incoming line size like that, would be a commercial structure. I am calling bunk on this one also. At around 23gpm, that is a lot of water gushing into that softener system.
The softener (GE 4000 $497 at Home Depot) stated that it is for installation with the 1" or 1 1/4" pipe.

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Looking at GE's website, it states 1" is the max pipe size. I would not trust anything on Home Depot's site. http://products.geappliances.com/App...ge&Sku=GXSF40H
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I've never even seen any home with a 1-1/4 supply line, sounds odd ball to me.
We run 1 1/4 building supplies quite often- You need to get out more Joe
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Looking at GE's website, it states 1" is the max pipe size. I would not trust anything on Home Depot's site. http://products.geappliances.com/App...ge&Sku=GXSF40H
Thanks for the info. I was refering to this model .
http://products.geappliances.com/App...ge&Sku=GXSH40V
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I was looking at the link and the system has a flow rate of 9.5gpm at 15psi drop and as the flow rate goes up so will the pressure lose and that most likely with either the 1 or 1 1/4 plumbing for the system as the VALVE and media will only handle so much.
If you are looking for cheap then this is the system but the flow rates will suffer.
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I was looking at the link and the system has a flow rate of 9.5gpm at 15psi drop and as the flow rate goes up so will the pressure lose and that most likely with either the 1 or 1 1/4 plumbing for the system as the VALVE and media will only handle so much.
If you are looking for cheap then this is the system but the flow rates will suffer.
Thanks for the detailed information. Based on you experience, do you think it would be okay to install this unit by reducing the main pipe of 1-1/4" to 1"?
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Based on your up coming usage I would NOT use the equipment you are talking about when there are better units out there in the market place that will handle the flow rates needed.
I my self would not use the system that you have linked to , but this just me..
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Based on your up coming usage I would NOT use the equipment you are talking about when there are better units out there in the market place that will handle the flow rates needed.
I my self would not use the system that you have linked to , but this just me..
Is there a system you recommend?
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A system that has between 2 and 2.5 cubic foot of resin, a system like that will have a max capacity of between 64k and 80k but for the best bang for the salt load would be 46k and 60k.
Flow rate between the two medias would be 13-18gpm with the larger flow rate for the 2.5 cubic.
Just about any of the Fleck valves will work the the 7000 having a 1.25 adapter ready to go if you are planing on staying with the incoming line size.
1" is standard and would work while some inspectors will site the change others will not, find out about your local codes and do it right the first time.
A Clack valve would be great but that you will have to go through a dealer to get as there are no more Clack systems on the internet.

Dealing with a local dealer might cost a bit more than on line or box , you are also getting the company for service and questions from some one that has been working in that area for years and not some one out side your area to trouble shoot your problem.
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A system that has between 2 and 2.5 cubic foot of resin, a system like that will have a max capacity of between 64k and 80k but for the best bang for the salt load would be 46k and 60k.
Flow rate between the two medias would be 13-18gpm with the larger flow rate for the 2.5 cubic.
Just about any of the Fleck valves will work the the 7000 having a 1.25 adapter ready to go if you are planing on staying with the incoming line size.
1" is standard and would work while some inspectors will site the change others will not, find out about your local codes and do it right the first time.
A Clack valve would be great but that you will have to go through a dealer to get as there are no more Clack systems on the internet.

Dealing with a local dealer might cost a bit more than on line or box , you are also getting the company for service and questions from some one that has been working in that area for years and not some one out side your area to trouble shoot your problem.
Thanks again for a detailed explanation. I would like for you to comment on this Whirlpool WHES44 model, please. Here's the system info.
Model WHES44

Rated Softening Capacity (Grains @ Salt Dose)
13,000 @ 2.6 lbs.
34,800 @ 9.7 lbs.
44,000 @ 16.7 lbs.
Rated Efficiency (Grains/Pound of Salt @ Minimum Salt Dose) 5,060 @ 2.6 lbs.
Water Used During Regeneration @ Minimum Salt Dose 2.68 gal./1,000 grains
Total Water Used Per Regeneration @ Maximum Salt Dose 43.2 gallons
Rated Service Flow Rate 9.0 gpm
Amount of High Capacity Ion Exchange Resin 1.23 cu. ft.
Pressure Drop at Rated Service Flow 9.4 psig
Water Supply Max. Hardness 140 gpg
Water Supply Max. Clear Water Iron 12 ppm*
Water Pressure Limits (minimum / maximum) 20 - 125 psi**
Water Temperature Limits (minimum / maximum) 40 - 120 F
Minimum Water Supply Flow Rate 3 gpm
Intermittent Flow @ 30 PSI 18.7 gpm***
Maximum Drain Flow Rate 1.8 gpm
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Whirlpool, Kenmore, and some other big box brands use a valve that is much more prone to problems and failure than Fleck and Clack valves.

A unit with a Fleck 7000SXT valve and a 2 or 2.5 cubic foot media tank (64,000-80,000 grains nominal capacity) can be expected to provide much more reliable service with lower pressure drop than the Whirlpool units--including the one you are posting specs for.

Here is one source of supply--there are several others on the internet--that sells a complete unit delivered to your home:

http://www.ohiopurewater.com/shop/cu...me.php?cat=632
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Let me say this, from the repair side, I do more on the type that you are looking to buy and less on older culligans or even the Fleck or Clack valves.

From what I have seen you are looking at price and not quality and looking for some one to back your cheap box store choice which I am not going to back.

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