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Marcus1 06-29-2012 08:52 AM

Installing a new Whirlpool tub in a basement.
 
Hello, I am going to attempt to install a whirlpool tub in our basement, and my problem is that the stub for the drain is located along one wall about 14" out from the wall in a 12 x 12 box cutout, I suppose it was intended for a shower and we opted for the tub instead. I think if we purchased the tub with a center drain, I would not have needed help, our tub has a Left hand drain and I am going to have to cut the floor in order to install the Waste drain and tail piece. My question is I think, with the drain tail piece going downward, I think I need to install a short P-Trap and then come back upward toward the tub and run the line back under the tub to the drain installed when the house was built, which is higher than the P-Trap would be at the lowest point. Im not sure if this is the correct way as it seems that there is going to be a lot of 90* elbows installed in order to get it to drain. Can anybody help?????? :whistling2:Thanx

I can send pic's if needed.

VIPlumber 06-29-2012 12:43 PM

Pics would be great but the only way to hook it up properly is to cut up the floor and move the drain connection to align properly with drain in new tub.

Marcus1 06-29-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIPlumber (Post 954018)
Pics would be great but the only way to hook it up properly is to cut up the floor and move the drain connection to align properly with drain in new tub.

Thank you for your reply, I will upload some pic's of the tub and area where the concrete will be cut to install the drain, then you can maybe see the delima that I have.

Marcus1 06-29-2012 07:04 PM

Basement Whirlpool tub install pictures
 
Ok here are pictures of what I have going on, first the location, then the tub, the drain location with the tub moved, and the bottom of the tub drain placement. Hope that this helps.......Well I thought I was gonna send pictures but the files are too big and this site will not accept anything larger than 100k files, if you email me I will send pic's. thanks

VIPlumber 06-29-2012 08:41 PM

No need to e-mail or PM, just link them from a photo share service like photo bucket or the like.

Marcus1 06-29-2012 11:35 PM

Basement Whirlpool tub install
 
Hello VIPlumber, here is a direct link to the photo's for you to view, hopefully it will shed some light on my project. One is of the tub against the wall, if you can see the Green Tape the farthast one on the left is where the new Tub drains from and the two pieces of tape to the right is the space where the house drain is located, notice the black circle on the floor as this is the waste drain from the tub. Another of the pics with the tub removed shows this better. Tell me what you think.....Thanx

Marc



http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMAG0656.jpg

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMAG0657.jpg

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMAG0658.jpg

wctekkk 06-30-2012 08:36 PM

is that's your drain in that box? if so it's really high the only way i can see doing is to follow that pipe downstream what looks like 2 1/2 tiles then use a long sweep 90 over to your location you still might need to use a trap with the slip nut on top cant remember what its called or a reg trap and a st san tee for the waste and overflow.

Marcus1 06-30-2012 10:41 PM

Basement Whirlpool tub install
 
The tub drain that we purchased is the Kohler bright brass cable drain, and the waste pipe goes into a "T" downward, thats why I wondered if it would be possible to build a "P" trap off of the "T" via 3, 90 degree fittings to get the tail-piece back upward under the tub and then one or two 90's to get it to the house drain pipe. The pipe is down 3-1/2" under the wood box frame that is filled with sand which I have not removed the sand, so it may drop some. Running out of Ideas as removing the tiles is out, as they are imported and non-existant to replace, so I'm kind of stuck.

VIPlumber 06-30-2012 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus1 (Post 955104)
...via 3, 90 degree fittings to get the tail-piece back upward under the tub and then one or two 90's to get it to the house drain pipe...

Sorry to say Marc, but all those 90's ain't gonna fly drain wise. They'd end up making your drain sluggish and prone to clogs. The only way to ensure that your new tub drains properly is to open the floor back ~ 3' back along the exposed pipe and reroute the drain.

I'm no tile guy but I'd imagine that there may be a way to, possibly, remove those few tiles without breaking them. I'd start by removing the grout and going from there.

wctekkk 07-03-2012 12:37 AM

since allot of those tiles will be under the tub remove some to replace the ones that may be damaged after jackhammer

Marcus1 07-08-2012 05:35 PM

Installing New Whirlpool Tub in Basement
 
Hello and thank you all for your help, in looking for help, I found a mason that will do the cut work for me, in looking at picture http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMAG0658.jpg I now have removed three tiles back from the box where the existing drain is and two tiles over down stream of the drain pipe. I thinking to cut 90* from the pipe to the new drain location and use the gentle swept 90 to connect my tailpiece to the house drain. Does that sound doable?????? If the above .jpg does not open here, it will in the previous Thread. Thanks to all who have responded. I think that this is the best Forum Ever.........

Marcus1 07-13-2012 11:23 PM

Installing New Whirlpool Tub in Basement
 
Hey guys, my mason guy came thru and now I have access to the 2" house drain, I did'nt see any traps of any kind, so now I need to ask, is it possible to build my own P trap comming down from the waste water tail piece downward and install 3-90's together to make the Trap and go from my 1.5" waste pipe to the 2" pipe with a coupler for the conversion and a long sweep 90 to tie the tub to the house drain. Will there be any problems doing the install this way? Please let me know as I am know on the next step before I fill the cutout with concrete. Getting excited...:thumbup:

TheEplumber 07-14-2012 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus1 (Post 965195)
Hey guys, my mason guy came thru and now I have access to the 2" house drain, I did'nt see any traps of any kind, so now I need to ask, is it possible to build my own P trap comming down from the waste water tail piece downward and install 3-90's together to make the Trap and go from my 1.5" waste pipe to the 2" pipe with a coupler for the conversion and a long sweep 90 to tie the tub to the house drain. Will there be any problems doing the install this way? Please let me know as I am know on the next step before I fill the cutout with concrete. Getting excited...:thumbup:

They make PVC solvent weld p traps. Use a 1.5" trap adapter to receive the tailpiece or glue it direct if its schedule 40.
And yes, use a long sweep 90's when piping horizontal turns

Marcus1 07-15-2012 07:13 PM

Installing New Whirlpool Tub in Basement
 
Oh :censored:, after removing the cut concrete to expose the house drain, I discovered that there are 2 more pipes down there in this Picture http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMAG0676.jpg and the new tub drain is directly above the upper pipe in the picture and the pipe on the right hand side is the existing house drain that I thought I was going to plumb to. So now the only way that I think that I can achieve that is to raise the tub 1" and then the "P"-Trap will rest above the two existing pipes in the middle of both them running the same direction then coming off of the trap to a 22.5* elbow to get the waste water flowing downward to the long sweep 90* which would attatch to the house drain. Does anyone see any draining problems?????? the top of the P-trap will be just below the bottom of the drain of the tub. Please let me know, Thanx.........

VIPlumber 07-15-2012 07:47 PM

Hey there Marcus,

Looks like a bit of an unexpected traffic jam. Could you take a picture from further back in order to give us a better perspective of what we're looking at? Make sure to include the recent hole in the floor.


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