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Old 06-06-2013, 02:11 PM   #46
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http://www.centralbrass.com/Document...s/S0607C34.pdf

That is what is in the wall. It SHOULD NOT BE.
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It is called a wall tile stop. Researching now.

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Old 06-06-2013, 03:31 PM   #47
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Is something not working correctly?
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Is something not working correctly?
The tile stop valve apparently.
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Given the age of a lot of metro buildings I wouldn't make ANY assumptions about what some fixtures are supposed to accomplish.
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Im pretty sure that New York also requires the Plumber heating and electrical subs to pull permits and get inspected prior to covering. Did any city inspectors come to look?
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As for permits or plumbing license- As a contractor, If I remove a p trap I need a plumber- yes it's ridiculous and is never followed.
Yeah, it is pretty ridiculous. As a standard rule of thumb, and I believe most states would be OK with, if you stay on the fixture side of the trap to do your work, anyone can do it. For example you certainly don't need a permit to change out the faucet in your bathroom. But then, that rule of thumb really refers to the drain side of plumbing, not the supply side.

Another rule of thumb is that if you don't need to turn off the water supply at the meter (i.e. outside your house), then you don't need a permit. This one sounds a little more suspicious, but at least it refers to the supply side. For example, you can turn off the supply valves under your sink and change out the faucet that way. Of course, you could still do a lot of damage in your plumbing by turning off your house supply with your main shutoff inside your house
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Yeah, it is pretty ridiculous. As a standard rule of thumb, and I believe most states would be OK with, if you stay on the fixture side of the trap to do your work, anyone can do it. For example you certainly don't need a permit to change out the faucet in your bathroom. But then, that rule of thumb really refers to the drain side of plumbing, not the supply side.

Another rule of thumb is that if you don't need to turn off the water supply at the meter (i.e. outside your house), then you don't need a permit. This one sounds a little more suspicious, but at least it refers to the supply side. For example, you can turn off the supply valves under your sink and change out the faucet that way. Of course, you could still do a lot of damage in your plumbing by turning off your house supply with your main shutoff inside your house
I realize every state is different, but if a State uses the UPC code- the rules of thumb you reference are wrong. But I don't know anyone who adheres to the "letter of the law"
And I do know a plumber who was fined for changing out a faucet- but there were other issues as well. It was just added to the list of violations.

Here is what the UPC states, several states have adopted this code with minor revisions

103.1.1 Permits Required. It shall be unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to make any installation, alteration, repair, replacement, or remodel any plumbing system by this code except as permitted in Section 103.1.2, or to cause the same to be done without first obtaining a separate plumbing permit for each separate building or structure.

103.1.2 Exempt Work. A permit shall not be required for the following:
103.1.2.1 The stoppage of leaks in drains, soil, waste or vent pipe, provided however that should any trap become defective and it becomes necessary to remove and replace the same with new material, the same shall be considered as new work and a permit shall be procured and inspection made as provided in this code.
103.2.2 (1) The clearing of stoppages...
(2) the repairing of leaks in pipes, valves or fixtures, provided such repairs do not involve or require the replacement or rearrangement of valves, pipes or fixtures.

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