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Old 03-29-2011, 02:28 PM   #16
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I have an idea what happened.
Which way is that flow stop turned ?(black piece right after the p-trap bend )
I'd bet they have tried to use one of those pressure cleaners- jetters on that sink but...flow stop gate was closed(probably clogged or turned in the wrong direction).


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Old 03-29-2011, 03:52 PM   #17
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Am I not seeing something correctly?

All i see is a layer of the plastic or pvc just got nicked off the exterior of the pipe. From the picture it doesn't look like it goes all the way through the pipe. I have seen pvc dropped or hit and layers of the pvc get knicked/knocked off, but it doesnt go all the way through to cause a leak.

If the hole goes through the pipe, then i understand what everyone is seeing so ignore what im saying.
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Old 03-29-2011, 04:01 PM   #18
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Am I not seeing something correctly?

All i see is a layer of the plastic or pvc just got nicked off the exterior of the pipe.
That's what I thought at first, but then I realized that what appears to be an inner layer on the pipe is actually the inside of the pipe. It's the flash on the camera lighting up the inside of the pipe that makes it appear to be the outside, if that makes sense.

I still don't see how something happening in the unit upstairs could do this -- One would imagine any pressure system would just bubble the water out of the sink drain, not break the trap.

I like the theory of a snake coming in from the adjacent unit's sink, coincidence with the plumber upstairs. Maybe they ran the snake first, didn't get anything, and then tried one of those things you attach to a garden hose. If that's the case, then the good news would be that other than the water in the trap it would be basically clean water.
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Old 03-29-2011, 04:19 PM   #20
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I like the theory of a snake coming in from the adjacent unit's sink, coincidence with the plumber upstairs. Maybe they ran the snake first, didn't get anything, and then tried one of those things you attach to a garden hose. If that's the case, then the good news would be that other than the water in the trap it would be basically clean water.

apparently you do not understand what a water jet is. Think about a power washer on steroids.
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well, I guess it comes down to; what do you want to do about it?
If insurance is picking up the bill, I would simply move on with life. If no insurance coverage and the cost isn't unbearable, I would likely just move on.
Everything has already been done, there's nothing left for me to do and I've already moved on w/ life. Since there were a couple of diff. opinions in this thread I simply wanted to add that none of the people involved in this process start to finish came up with an idea. I'm not looking for legal advice - one of the great perks w/ a prepaid legal program through work hahaha.


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I have an idea what happened.
Which way is that flow stop turned ?(black piece right after the p-trap bend )
I'd bet they have tried to use one of those pressure cleaners- jetters on that sink but...flow stop gate was closed
I'm not sure I follow you ..... you mean the sink in our unit? Nobody had been there for a month when this happened, so it didn't start in our unit.
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Old 03-29-2011, 04:24 PM   #22
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So then it must be one of those really cheap thin plastic ones.

Im a photographer so i know how things can look different than they are, but that still doesnt look like a hole that actually goes all the way through.


Can you just confirm that it is a hole you can stick something through, instead of the whistling smiley dude icon and a circle around the thing. Cause the circle just confirms that im looking in the right place, not that it is indeed a hole.

Like i said before, i have seen plenty of pvc pipes get knicked and it just knocks a layer of pvc off.

Im not trying to be a turd. im just saying. I was mainly questioning it because I wanted to make sure i was looking in the right spot.

even pyper said at first it didnt look like a hole.
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From the look of the hole, the damage occurred from something going down that sinks drain. It looks like the hole was punched out from directly above the widest part of the hole.
Nothing came in through the wall from another unit.
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Pretzels: Yep, the hole is very much all the way through. By the looks of it the most of the "aftermath water" or "flush water" that they shot down the stack after clearing it ended up on our floors through this hole. I'll take a better pic of the trap at some point. We kept it as a "souvenir".

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It looks like the hole was punched out from directly above the widest part of the hole
Amen Ron! You are officially as puzzled as I am

Nobody had been in the unit for close to a month when this happened so it beats the hell out of me how it actually got there.
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Where was the piece that broke off? Where it landed might give some clue as to how it was broken off, although a deluge of water following could have moved the piece.

Any pattern of scrapings such as from a snake on the inside of the trap and inside the elbow?

Is the sink up against an exterior wall? Was the cabinet door closed? Pipes can freeze that way.
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Any pattern of scrapings such as from a snake on the inside of the trap and inside the elbow?
I like your detective thinking a lot. Good idea!
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Pretzels: Yep, the hole is very much all the way through. By the looks of it the most of the "aftermath water" or "flush water" that they shot down the stack after clearing it ended up on our floors through this hole. I'll take a better pic of the trap at some point. We kept it as a "souvenir".



Amen Ron! You are officially as puzzled as I am

Nobody had been in the unit for close to a month when this happened so it beats the hell out of me how it actually got there.


ok, haha, sorry i just didnt remember reading about water being everywhere.....and i didnt know if you just saw a picture too, and wasnt there in person.
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apparently you do not understand what a water jet is. Think about a power washer on steroids.

I kind of had an idea.

Look at where the hole is. There is no direct line where a high pressure jet of water could have created the hole. If the jet entered from the stack, shouldn't the hole be in line with the horizontal exit pipe? But how would the jet of water enter from the stack anyway? If there was a massive clog in the stack, below the level of the sink, then the water would hit the clog as a jet, and then what? It would fill the stack, right? How many gallons per minute?

In any case, pressure could not have built up in the trap as some people seem to suggest. The water in the trap just wouldn't contain any significant pressure.

But, the hole appears to be in line for a small (consumer style) snake coming in from the stack, deflecting down off the back of the P.

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