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Old 04-07-2011, 08:19 PM   #1
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I am hoping that somebody can help me with this interesting and embarrassing issue.

I recently, in hurry went to a home depot to get CVPC Primer and glue. I asked the guy in the plumbing isle to show me where it was. He handed them to me and said "primer...and glue." So I grabbed them and my fittings and handed the supplies to one of my guys and had him put together the rough plumbing for me. It wasn't until today when I went to make a few final connections that I realized that the guy (at home depot) had given me a primer, and a cleaner...not glue. I didn't even think to read the cans I just handed this stuff off to my co worker, that is why this is embarrassing.

Here is the real problem...the connections wont come apart so that I can properly secure them with glue. The primer was applied, then the cleaner (which we thought was the glue) and that is it! One of them i literally put my full body weight on and it would not budge. I know once I fire this system up all the connections are going to start failing under pressure. I am trying to find a way to remove the connections I made, likely replace the elbows and "T's" and then connect this thing back together. I dont have a real issue with trimming the pipes I installed, I do however have some CPVC to copper adaptors that I absolutely cant replace, purely from a cost perspective. Any guidance on how to loosen these connections?

Also even though I am listed as a "newbie" I am extremely handy...apparently my kriptonite is reading labels.



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Old 04-07-2011, 08:26 PM   #2
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I think you are screwed. I think you should buy new fittings.

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Old 04-07-2011, 08:29 PM   #3
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Chock this up to a hard lesson learned. Rest assured that you are in good company: All heavy DIYers have done something dumb. Let's fess up.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:35 PM   #4
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Sorry for your troubles. As a consolation, send your story to the "Family Handyman" magazine as a goof. You may be able to recover $100 of your costs to repair.

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Chock this up to a hard lesson learned. Rest assured that you are in good company: All heavy DIYers have done something dumb. Let's fess up.
Leah, thanks for that link...I've probably got a few to add.
And to the OP. Mistakes are a way of learning...we've all screwed up, I have senior moments all the time, trouble is, I'm not really senior yet. Wife says I have half-timer's disease. Good luck.
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Yes, you will have to remove the bad sections and primer/glue them correctly or they will fail and fail inspection.
Replace all fittings, then hand the receipt back to HD and tell them you want THEM to pay for the redo since their idiot gave you the wrong can. For CPVC you want purple primer and orange glue.

MAYBE they'll pay, probably not.

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Yes, you will have to remove the bad sections and primer/glue them correctly or they will fail and fail inspection.
Replace all fittings, then hand the receipt back to HD and tell them you want THEM to pay for the redo since their idiot gave you the wrong can. For CPVC you want purple primer and orange glue.

MAYBE they'll pay, probably not.

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I think this is a case where the OP needs to own up to the responsibility and not try to get someone else to take the responsibility. When ever you buy a product (especially at a big box store), it is your job to get the right product.

Also, how can anyone not tell the difference between a cleaner/primer and the correct cement. The consistancy of the 2 products is so different. Obviously this was not a plumber who was doing the work - you get what you pay for. Can you see a real plumber making this mistake- I can't!
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Chock this up to a hard lesson learned. Rest assured that you are in good company: All heavy DIYers have done something dumb. Let's fess up.

Now that's a cool thread. I think it should be required reading. I also think I might have to fess up myself. Off I go....
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Have you read the instructions on the containers of fluid you got? Maybe one was glue and the pipes are now properly joined.
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I think this is a case where the OP needs to own up to the responsibility and not try to get someone else to take the responsibility. When ever you buy a product (especially at a big box store), it is your job to get the right product.

Also, how can anyone not tell the difference between a cleaner/primer and the correct cement. The consistancy of the 2 products is so different. Obviously this was not a plumber who was doing the work - you get what you pay for. Can you see a real plumber making this mistake- I can't!

I don't really see how this response is helpful. If I or the guy i had do this WERE professionals we would have know that this wasn't the right stuff. Last time i checked this is a DIY forum. Hence not for professionals. Also i am not trying to blame anybody as I should have read the labels


Thanks everybody else for their meaningful/comical/ helpful responses. Also yesterday as a test i applied 80 psi of air pressure to the system and it help up fine. So i am going to finalize the plumbing and see what happens. This room is want to be at 90 to 100% humidity,and is water tight and equipped with a floor drain so is the joints can fail as they wish and i will replace them as it happens.
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Go buy a 10' section of pipe and a big bunch of couplers and some elbows and the correct primer/glue (normally purple/orange for CPVC)
You may need them soon. Keep a close eye on what leaks and if you're in an area replacing one section and another is handy, wellllll, you know.
Ounce of prevention.... Why not just cut out and repair the offending sections before pressurizing? Too many? Access?

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Go buy a 10' section of pipe and a big bunch of couplers and some elbows and the correct primer/glue (normally purple/orange for CPVC)
You may need them soon. Keep a close eye on what leaks and if you're in an area replacing one section and another is handy, wellllll, you know.
Ounce of prevention.... Why not just cut out and repair the offending sections before pressurizing? Too many? Access?

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Its really more the cpvc to copper transitions that I don't feel like replacing due to cost. I will be buying the angles t's etc to have on hand. Also I need to get this thing turned on ASAP. I can deal with the failures as they occur. Also a rep from the solvent manufacturer sent me an email saying basically if I cant get them apart They may not ever come apart, but no guarantee from them obviously
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The primer will keep them stuck together no question, it's as to whether (or how soon) they will leak or not.
They will require close observation for their lifetimes or until all are replaced. I know what you mean about the cost though. Friggin' $5.26 for one stinking transition piece from 3/4" cpvc to 3/4" copper I had to get yesterday.... that's ridiculous.

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I don't really see how this response is helpful. If I or the guy i had do this WERE professionals we would have know that this wasn't the right stuff. Last time i checked this is a DIY forum. Hence not for professionals. Also i am not trying to blame anybody as I should have read the labels


Thanks everybody else for their meaningful/comical/ helpful responses. Also yesterday as a test i applied 80 psi of air pressure to the system and it help up fine. So i am going to finalize the plumbing and see what happens. This room is want to be at 90 to 100% humidity,and is water tight and equipped with a floor drain so is the joints can fail as they wish and i will replace them as it happens.
Could this possibly be a hydroponic operation for the growing of marijuana?
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Could this possibly be a hydroponic operation for the growing of marijuana?
Ha! Nothing that fun. It is for curing concrete test specimens

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