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Old 01-27-2008, 01:15 PM   #16
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How to drain a utility sink that is in basement?


before I would spend 50-100 dollars on a pump, I would buy a 10' chunk of schedule 40 and a few furnco's and get rid of that mess. You can put a couple of wye's and be good to go. It's not as much work as one would think. A 4inch grinder or mutabo to cut cast iron pipe, somthing to support upper vent pipe, fit and glue pvc, then furnco ends back togather.

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Old 01-27-2008, 01:38 PM   #17
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before I would spend 50-100 dollars on a pump, I would buy a 10' chunk of schedule 40 and a few furnco's and get rid of that mess. You can put a couple of wye's and be good to go. It's not as much work as one would think. A 4inch grinder or mutabo to cut cast iron pipe, somthing to support upper vent pipe, fit and glue pvc, then furnco ends back togather.


I think schedule 40 is pvc pipe, right?
Furnco's are used to join cast iron pipes to pvc, right?
wye's are used to attach drain lines from sinks or washers to the pvc drain system, right?

Are you saying that I should cut the 4 inch cast iron pipe before it goes through the floor and change all the drain pipes to pvc that are in the above pictures?

When you say the above pipe needs to be supported, I assume you mean, because we are changing everything to pvc, it can't continue to support the weight of the above cast iron, right?
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:43 PM   #18
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How old is this house? I don't live in a area where basements are the norm but that is the most unorthodox set up I have seen in a long time....what really gets me is the running trap with the clean out cap. What is the purpose? I know you don't know Mikey, but I am asking as a general question to plumbers who see this.
Having seen what you have I would opt for one of the first things you mentioned, run the utility sink to the floor drain...you may not even want to remove the cover, strap your 1 1/2" or 2" pvc pipe along the wall and terminate the drain about an inch or two above the floor drain and figure out some way to prevent excessive splashing if that bothers you....without losing the function of the floor drain for its original purpose. This is very common to see in restaurants and commercial applications but usually draining into what is called a floor sink (about a 12" square X 12" deep sink set in the concrete) to prevent the splashing and also prevent drain stoppages from backing up and contaminating a sink that may be used to prep food.
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:50 PM   #19
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I think the house was built in the mid 50's.

The only problem with running some sort of line into the floor drain is that the floor drain is in the middle of the room, about 3 feet in front of the washer and dryer, so it will be quite visible.

What do you mean by running trap? Is that the dip in the 4 inch pipe before it goes into the floor?

The 4 inch that goes into the wall in the third picture just goes to a vent in the side of the house? what is the purpose of this? Is it a venting system for the pipe?

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Old 01-27-2008, 01:52 PM   #20
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before I would spend 50-100 dollars on a pump, I would buy a 10' chunk of schedule 40 and a few furnco's and get rid of that mess. You can put a couple of wye's and be good to go. It's not as much work as one would think. A 4inch grinder or mutabo to cut cast iron pipe, somthing to support upper vent pipe, fit and glue pvc, then furnco ends back togather.
Sorry, I was typing when big daddy-o responded with the above.
He makes it sound so easy to reconfigure what you have and it is not and I think cost was your issue to begin with in trying to gain only the function of a sink. What I said about using the floor drain should not even be thought of as temporary, it would be easy to remove if need be at any time if someone thought it an issue, say if you wanted to sell the house...as for the original piping it was there when you bought it.
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:54 PM   #21
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Yes that is the running trap. Sorry I thought I saw a silver cover on the floor in the photo of the running trap, thinking that was a floor drain. Now I see it was part of the dryer vent

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Old 01-27-2008, 01:58 PM   #22
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Now that I look again what I saw was part of the dryer vent. The running trap is the "U" shaped pipe with the cap on it...it serves no purpose to my knowledge
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Sorry, I was typing when big daddy-o responded with the above.
He makes it sound so easy to reconfigure what you have and it is not and I think cost was your issue to begin with in trying to gain only the function of a sink. What I said about using the floor drain should not even be thought of as temporary, it would be easy to remove if need be at any time if someone thought it an issue, say if you wanted to sell the house...as for the original piping it was there when you bought it.
Ok, I think this is what I will do.........The floor drain is actually, just a few inches in front of the washer. I will sweat in the hot and cold supply lines and place the sink next to the washer. I can somehow hook up a hose to the sink drain and run it behind the washer and have it come to the front along the floor between the washer and sink and direct it into the floor drain. I can easily remove it when I need to and like you said, I would rather not go crazy just for a utility sink.

Would it be easy to connect a flexible hose to the sink drain?

And, everybody, please cross your fingers, I have never attempted to sweat a copper connection before, should be fun.
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Old 01-27-2008, 02:06 PM   #24
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The 4 inch that goes into the wall in the third picture just goes to a vent in the side of the house? what is the purpose of this? Is it a venting system for the pipe?
I guess I thought that was somehow catching drainage from upstairs being a 4" pipe...it must be venting the running trap

If the floor drain is in the middle of the floor perhaps it is best to reconfigure the wye that the washer drain ties into if where it ties in to the larger pipe is not too high for the sink
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And, everybody, please cross your fingers, I have never attempted to sweat a copper connection before, should be fun.
Some fun. Good luck. I have to run for a while. Don't put yourself in a position to be without water. Practice a few solder joints first before you cut any pipe for real.
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If the floor drain is in the middle of the floor perhaps it is best to reconfigure the wye that the washer drain ties into if where it ties in to the larger pipe is not too high for the sink
The sink will be too low to reconfigure the drain that way.

well, I'm off to pick up some parts, thanks again
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Maybe you can cut into this and re-plumb the smaller wye connection area? So take apart that whole section and replace with PVC...

How high off the ground is the 4" wye connection? Just an idea...
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Maybe you can cut into this and re-plumb the smaller wye connection area? So take apart that whole section and replace with PVC...

How high off the ground is the 4" wye connection? Just an idea...
It's pretty high where the wye connects to the 4 inch pipe. Probably the height of the top of the washer, and much higher than the bottom of the sink where the drain starts
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Do you know where that floor drain goes? some of those back in the day , just went a couple of feet down into the dirt, typically what goes into floor drain would be minimal, a sink draining into dirt may back up as your putting more down than can soak in. check this out, depending on what your going to use sink for. example fill tub up to soak something once you pull plug you may have a mess. plan ahead before disaster strikes.....
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What is the square concrete around drain pipe? if you remove that you could gain approx. 4" more room to work with correct? cut the bottom area where pipe enters floor, and furnco a wye in there . keep in mind that there are two ways to do things. the right way , and half ass. your home should be a priority. its tough and costly but why cut corners?

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