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KUIPORNG 01-29-2007 08:50 AM

How to approach toilet clogging
 
I found out the toilet on the ground floor clogged this morning... this toilet is close to the wash machine... I do not know if there is a relationship with this... this clogging is different from those which you can use a plumb to resolve... water just not going away.... nothing you can do with the hand plumb....

please let me know what is the best approach to deal with this problem.... like:

1. just call the plumber...

2. go to the basement open up the clear out access for the toilet and see if it stuck...

or it is because it is too cold outside in Toronto... causing the exhausted pipe frozen...
...etc.

Thanks...

redline 01-29-2007 10:59 AM

Is there a clean out near this?

Is the water from the washer going down?

KUIPORNG 01-29-2007 11:43 AM

looks like there is somthing in the toilet blocking
 
because the drain for the besides sink is ok... the wash machine is ok as well... I suspect someone throw somthing in the toilet....

if this is the case, how can I resolve this ... do I remove the toilet... and try to fix it... like that?...

Mike Swearingen 01-29-2007 02:04 PM

First, get a hand-cranked toilet auger and try to dislodge whatever may be clogging the built-in trap of the toilet by feeding the auger head into the trap and cranking the handle.
If that doen't dislodge the clog, you'll have to dip out the water and remove the toilet in order to try to dislodge the clog from underneath.
Removing a toilet (get a new wax ring and a new set of toilet bolts):
A. Turn off toilet water supply at toilet shut-off valve (or whole hose valve if it doesn't have one at toilet).
B. Flush the toilet, and remove (dip and sponge out) excess water left in the tank and bowl.
C. Unscrew the water supply line nut from base of tank.
D. Unbolt the base bolt nuts (7/16") lift and tilt over the whole toilet onto a pile of old towels, carpet, etc. Be careful. Porcelain will crack easily.
E. Auger the base hole from underneath.
Scrape all of the old wax off the flange and base, and stick the new wax ring onto the flange. Install the new toilet bolts if the old ones are corroded in any way.
Lift and set the toilet down onto the bolts and new wax ring.
Stand or sit on the toilet and rock it down solid. Install the nuts on the bolts and snug them down,but don't overtighten (can crack base).
Good Luck!
Mike

KUIPORNG 01-29-2007 03:39 PM

Thanks very much
 
Thank you very much for the detail description...

KUIPORNG 01-30-2007 08:24 AM

I did it last night.... I have to double think again of being a plumber... It is not just the work... It is the different circumstances you have to face... I don't think anyone should complain about plumber charge high dollars... I don't want to give details of what I see and did... think about it... now those scenary is going with me for my life....


anyhow back to somthing else... My wife and I is feed up with this toiler provided by the builder... and we are going to shop for a better one which will not clog so easily... now the market has so much variations... one unit, 6L,... different brand... over $700 less than $100... can anyone have some insight how to shop for a toilet...

Rehabber 01-30-2007 08:37 AM

On the low end, I have had very good luck with Western Pottery toilets, at a mid price range go with Toto.

majakdragon 01-30-2007 09:00 AM

Quality materials often raise the price of toilets. Brass inards are one example. There are some simple things though, that make some toilets better than others. Check the size of the discharge hole. I have seen them from 1-3/8" to 2-1/2". The trap should be fully covered with porcelin. If not, the trap has rough surfaces that impede the flow when flushed. Look at the display at Home Depot. All this info is on each display. For a low end toilet, I like the American Standard Cadet. It also has a Fluid Master flush valve. About $100.

KUIPORNG 01-30-2007 09:09 AM

Thanks
 
Thanks for the info... although I wish I know what those terminology means..."Brass Inards"... "Trap Fully covered with Porcelin".."Fluid Master".etc... Thanks for suggesting American Standard Cadet... if I can spend $200... is there another may be better one suggestion... I definitely goes for a bigger discharge hole for sure... I will try to ask those terminology to the HD guys although they generally not very helpful...

how about this one from Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...9884&rd=1&rd=1

does it seems to be a good one by the pictures... or it can't tell...

I probably will go to HD to get it... but just in case people say this is a good one...

majakdragon 01-30-2007 11:02 AM

Sorry for the confusion. By "brass inards" I meant that all the parts inside the tank are brass instead of plastic. The trap should be "fully glazed" with porcelin. Fluid Master is a brand name for the fill/flush valve. A very good product. Not sure if the toilet on e-bay is an American Standard or not as it just says "Standard". Going with a name brand is always a good idea. One or two piece unit is a personal preference for your decor. The elongated bowl is a nice feature. $120 shipping would be debatable for me.

gitnerdun 01-31-2007 07:32 AM

The kohler wellworth is a favorite here, espacially the elongated one with higher 16.5 inch height. Shipping toilets results in a lot of breakage.

KUIPORNG 01-31-2007 08:58 AM

got one from HD
 
American Standard... somthing like save water, call somthing like Forest... cost me $279 plus tax Canadian... it is kind of a new product.... well... I guess once you experience what I experienced, you wouldn't mind spend more on toilet to avoid clogging again... In the past, I generally look for the price tag when shopping for a toilet... now I look for all those "discharge hole size"....etc.....

One of the challenge I experienced during this replacing toilet is one of the screw and washer holding the toilet fail to work, the screw turn together with the washer... I tried many ways to resolve this.. screw driver, hand saw, everything... didn't get it work... almost want to break the toilet...

at the end I use Angle Grinder (the fast rotating thing which can cut matel)... to cut the buster... and I need to put water there to release the heat.... I will really be despirate if I have not had that tool.... so plumbing job sometimes is not as easy as it looks...


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