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Old 12-09-2009, 10:14 PM   #16
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If you are looking to do your own installation, check out some on EBay. I scored a tankless Paloma 74 refirb (cosmetic), with full factory warranty for $600. That is 199K BTU unit. Final cost to install was just under $900 (vent, valves, pipe, etc.).
If you are planning on doing this in a few months, it gives you some time to research.

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Old 12-09-2009, 10:26 PM   #17
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first take off the cap and get a pop off valve (new) then check and see if heater has an ANODE rod ,it will look like a nut on top of heater, drain and flush heater, replace anode. My heater is close to 30 yrs old good as new. I change anode every 5 years, if you hear a crackling noise when water is heating, forget it replace heater. Some gas companies will give you a new heater to stay with gas, in my area they give you heater and up to 450.00 for labor to replace it up to local code. PS look up water heater explosion on you tube ,pop off or T@P or temperature @ pressure valve is very important. NEVER cap or plug one off!!!

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I would replace that water heater ASAP (day after payday), before it catches you by surprise. And on the basis of it being non energy-efficient alone it should be replaced! And if you're using well water, you should have regular water treatment consisting of water softeners and purifiers. (Eliminate confusion through Education) Don't Drink and Drive, ever!!!
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first take off the cap and get a pop off valve (new) then check and see if heater has an ANODE rod ,it will look like a nut on top of heater, drain and flush heater, replace anode. My heater is close to 30 yrs old good as new. I change anode every 5 years, if you hear a crackling noise when water is heating, forget it replace heater. Some gas companies will give you a new heater to stay with gas, in my area they give you heater and up to 450.00 for labor to replace it up to local code. PS look up water heater explosion on you tube ,pop off or T@P or temperature @ pressure valve is very important. NEVER cap or plug one off!!!
In our neck of the woods (or canyons of Manhattan, NYC) the gas company doesn't have to give an incentive to stay with gas water heat. the electric Co. gives you an incentive to stay off electric heat. The price! (No matter what) Don't drink and Drive, ever!!!
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If you are looking to do your own installation, check out some on EBay. I scored a tankless Paloma 74 refirb (cosmetic), with full factory warranty for $600. That is 199K BTU unit. Final cost to install was just under $900 (vent, valves, pipe, etc.).
If you are planning on doing this in a few months, it gives you some time to research.

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Thanks TJ, but we avoid eBay like the plague when it comes to things like this. I have purchased a lot on there as far as little things (video games, blank media, ect), but I have been screwed over on bigger purchases several times by people who have over 5,000 positive feedback. So if it is something that costs a good chunk of change, I go brand new to be safe. Plus, we'll have the records for the tax rebates as well.

We are not doing the install ourseleves. We don't know a thing about this stuff really. My cousin is going to do it for us. Roughly $100 for the install, and $1,000 for the unit brand new at 180,000 BTUs I believe. The unit has plenty for what we will need, as we only have 2 people living here.

As far as the cap/explosion goes, the drain valve wasn't shutting off all the way after my cousin drained it, and he said that a cap would be fine with it for now. I don't know if he was thinking we where going to replace it soon or what, as he suggested we do so. I really don't know much about it, but we still have to wait at least another month before we can pick up this new tankless system. I'll just have to have faith that it will last that long. The tank itself doesn't show any rust on the outside really, and no leaking anywhere around it. And we bought the house last year, so I really have no way of knowing how long its been there....

He was just going by the model number for it. All I know, is that it is a coleman. We had to light the pilot one time, and to do so, we had to remove to screws off this little window on the front of the tank, and light it with a candle lighter.

If anyone would view it, I could post a video of the tank and get further opinions... cause if it is a must replace asap, I will make sure it gets done.
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Predicting tank blow outs. Is like predicting winning lottery numbers.
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"As far as the cap/explosion goes, the drain valve wasn't shutting off all the way after my cousin drained it, and he said that a cap would be fine with it for now."

If I read your thread right, capping off the drain valve is ok; capping off the T&P valve is not. I read it as the former not the latter so you should be safe; you just can't easily drain water from your tank without taking off the cap. Double check what is capped off to be sure and safe.
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"As far as the cap/explosion goes, the drain valve wasn't shutting off all the way after my cousin drained it, and he said that a cap would be fine with it for now."

If I read your thread right, capping off the drain valve is ok; capping off the T&P valve is not. I read it as the former not the latter so you should be safe; you just can't easily drain water from your tank without taking off the cap. Double check what is capped off to be sure and safe.

Yes, it was the drain valve he capped. Because when he opened it to let some of the nasty water out, it wouldn't shut off all the way when he turned it off...

So, we decided to go with a Rheem tankless unit. This is the unit we plan on buying:
http://www.homedepot.com/Rheem-EcoSe...3#BVRRWidgetID

My cousin (the contractor) says he plans on venting it right through the chimney so there is no need to run vents out the side of the house and what not. So, overall we are thinking $1300.00 or so, as he isn't charging much for the install. So, once this is in, what is the maintiance these systems require? And does anyone have any suggestions on these in general as far as what to watch out for and be aware of?
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Right through. As in run pipes all the way up your chimney. Right.
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My take on old tanks, if they're not leaking, don't replace them because nothing is wrong with them yet. We've pulled water heaters out of homes that were 40 years old occasionally, and even found a 50 year old one once.

They don't make them like they used to, and if it's not damaging anything by leaking, you're in good shape. If you get a new one, you might get 10 years out of it if you're lucky, but being on a well system it could be considerably less.

If you're having a problem with the old drain down, drain the tank, flush it, install a new drain down.

If the salt (calcite?) is getting into the water heater, there's probably too much in the cylinder. It's not supposed to flow through the system.

Edit : If you do get a tankless, the easiest way to do it is to situate it on an outside wall and get a direct vent model.
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My take on old tanks, if they're not leaking, don't replace them because nothing is wrong with them yet. We've pulled water heaters out of homes that were 40 years old occasionally, and even found a 50 year old one once.

They don't make them like they used to, and if it's not damaging anything by leaking, you're in good shape. If you get a new one, you might get 10 years out of it if you're lucky, but being on a well system it could be considerably less.

If you're having a problem with the old drain down, drain the tank, flush it, install a new drain down.

If the salt (calcite?) is getting into the water heater, there's probably too much in the cylinder. It's not supposed to flow through the system.

Edit : If you do get a tankless, the easiest way to do it is to situate it on an outside wall and get a direct vent model.
You hit the nail on the head in your Second paragraph! "They don't make them like they used to". I replaced 2 hot water tanks in the past 23 years. That's why they pro-rate the warranty! to make sure you don't get something for free. And past Ten years the tank's days are numbered. Whereas the OOOld manufacture was more sturdy and durable!! The only thing with them OOOLdies is that they are not energy efficient! (No matter what) Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

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Old 12-13-2009, 12:23 AM   #27
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I hated to see my old tank go.... really. 33 years old, and was still cranking super hot water.
But, I know I was living on borrowed time. The price was right, and timing was appropriate for the tankless.

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