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Old 04-20-2012, 08:08 AM   #16
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HELP! Broken Shower drain connection to ABS Trap


We have now found that the offset shower drain that we were going to use on the existing trap is not enough to clear the board+tile on the wall.

Looked at Oatey 42787 and Sioux Chief 825-2PFS offset drains.

We'd appreciate any suggestions to make it work with the existing trap.

Thanks all.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:16 AM   #17
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Because of the clearance issues of the drain from the wall if directly connected to the existing p-trap, we are considering the following arrangement. It is not the best way, but, I am posting it here for comments from you all.
thanks in advance. We appreciate your inputs.
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Old 04-20-2012, 06:48 PM   #18
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it should be the same pipe material where it is glued abs to abs, pvc to pvc multi purpose glue for same pipe material not dissimilar pipe material

it looks to me in last pic you could do it correctly by just removing a little dirt cut the 90 on trap then put coupling and then reroute drain as needed i do a lot of tub to shower conversions and it is rare that i have to break concrete to reroute drain mostly just need to fill a 5 gallon bucket up with dirt then rework pipes, pour dirt back in, and then mix some concrete

doing it the way you want sure it is your house you can do it wrong since it is easier . will it work yes. is there a good possibility that the drain will be slow draining i say yes. is there a chance of drain clogging and having to snake it yes will it be able to be snaked yes but good luck getting through the trap
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:38 PM   #19
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Because of the clearance issues of the drain from the wall if directly connected to the existing p-trap, we are considering the following arrangement. It is not the best way, but, I am posting it here for comments from you all.
thanks in advance. We appreciate your inputs.
this thread is going on and on ...I like your idea you already know it not the best ....so just make sure you use pvc glue on the abs fitting you will be fine...set it up pour your concrete have a beer and call it a wrap....
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@ jaydevries and ben's plumbing

Thanks for your inputs. I am trying to get this right. Because, the final finish is a tile floor. Something wrong now and big problems later.

@jaydevries:
The opposing street 90s that I am showing in the picture is a dry fit on the drain. I want to extend the drain with a 90 on the p-trap just like you suggested. But I am concerned that the weight of the pipe + elbow + drain will cause the p-trap hub to crack without proper support under the pipe.

I came up with a few more sketches as alternatives. Option 1 is the opposing street elbows which i dont like. Option 2 is moving the drain with a street 90 and pipe; with the pipe supported in 2x6s. Then I could install plywood on ttop of the 2x6s. From there on, it could be cement board + tile OR shower base.

Still have the thinking hat on.....

Never thought this would become such a beast.
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just support it with shot sand or a good packable dirt put sand under pipe to support and get 1/4 per foot fall then all around to prevent moving
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned your need to use some type of ABS to PVC adapter.

Do not use the ABS/PVC cement. It doesn't meet code for a reason....



Lowe's, and others, sells the proper threaded adapter that you need to make the transition...
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned your need to use some type of ABS to PVC adapter.
Do not use the ABS/PVC cement. It doesn't meet code for a reason....
Lowe's, and others, sells the proper threaded adapter that you need to make the transition...
Oh. I bought the PVC to ABS transition cement - green Oatey #30900. Isnt that the cement to be used?

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just support it with shot sand or a good packable dirt put sand under pipe to support and get 1/4 per foot fall then all around to prevent moving
Ok. Thank you. I am not very happy about this whole thing and the access issue. In a perfect world, I want to replace all the way to the elbow under the tee and build back up - however, got to finish the project.
Houston has clayey soil and I am putting back the soil that I excavated, spraying scant amounts of water and tamping it down to compact it well. planning to put more all the way up to the slab bottom, then vapor barrier plastic sheet, re-concrete and finish it up. Tile guy waiting to come back and finish tiling.

I will continue to update the thread with the progress and pictures.

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Oh. I bought the PVC to ABS transition cement - green Oatey #30900. Isnt that the cement to be used?
I don't recommend any transition glue. I've seen it fail many times. Stick with ABS fittings and ABS glue
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Back to the store to get ABS fittings and ABS cement.
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You'll most likely not find a ABS drain.

Ask/look for the threaded adapter.

That's the right way to make the transition...
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned your need to use some type of ABS to PVC adapter.

Do not use the ABS/PVC cement. It doesn't meet code for a reason....



Lowe's, and others, sells the proper threaded adapter that you need to make the transition...
read pvc instructions on cement can....IT WILL WORK ON ABS>>>>is it code thats another topic...you can not use abs glue on pvc pipe or fittings.....
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read pvc instructions on cement can....IT WILL WORK ON ABS>>>>is it code thats another topic...you can not use abs glue on pvc pipe or fittings.....

Ben,

The combo glue has been outlawed by code in most areas due to the fact that it tends to fail. So why would anyone want to take the chance?


Sure, a DIY'er will use it, and it may not leak, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do....
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Ben,

The combo glue has been outlawed by code in most areas due to the fact that it tends to fail. So why would anyone want to take the chance?


Sure, a DIY'er will use it, and it may not leak, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do....
yes ..it tends to fail ..so they say....again look at the thread as to what is happening.....the op won't cut it all out and start from scratch.....so 30 yrs in the trade never seen pvc glue on abs fail... he won't find abs drain like that he don't have height to use adapter if I read right......so what to do ....use the pvc glue get er done......move on.... it will work on that joint and hold......

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