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Old 12-19-2013, 07:47 PM   #1
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A friend of ours had her hot water tank serviced and the plumber explained that to be up to code she needed to add a sprinkler head (because the tank is too close to a wall without sheetrock) and a Floodmaster for the drain pan. I agree with the other code upgrades that he mentioned, like the expansion tank and better ventilation. However, I have yet to come across codes like this and I do check codes regularly. This may simply be a city code, but seems excessive to me. Anybody have these codes where they live? Thank you.

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A friend of ours had her hot water tank serviced and the plumber explained that to be up to code she needed to add a sprinkler head (because the tank is too close to a wall without sheetrock) and a Floodmaster for the drain pan. I agree with the other code upgrades that he mentioned, like the expansion tank and better ventilation. However, I have yet to come across codes like this and I do check codes regularly. This may simply be a city code, but seems excessive to me. Anybody have these codes where they live? Thank you.

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Did your plumber pull a permit for the job?

Call your local building department and ask.

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I don't know if he pulled a permit, but will ask her to call the building department. Unfortunately, it seems the wheels were already turning when I heard of this. I guess he was starting the job this afternoon.
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He should be fired tonight. There is no need for a remove and replace of an existing appliance which was installed as per an earlier code to meet todays code. A remove and replace only needs to meet the codes of the original installation.
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Did your plumber pull a permit for the job?

Call your local building department and ask.
Few localities require a permit for a water tank replacement
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He should be fired tonight. There is no need for a remove and replace of an existing appliance which was installed as per an earlier code to meet todays code. A remove and replace only needs to meet the codes of the original installation.

I didn't mention this, because I haven't seen what the gas line is, but he also said that needed to be upgraded too. My house was built in the 50's and I have iron pipes for natural gas...her house is probably around the same age if not newer.
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Few localities require a permit for a water tank replacement
Nashua NH requires a permit and a licensed gas fitter to install hot water heaters. Actually, you can't even buy a hot water heater fitted for gas without being licensed...tried that. Merrimack isn't but a stones throw from here, so my guess is they have the same ordinance.
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Nashua NH requires a permit and a licensed gas fitter to install hot water heaters. Actually, you can't even buy a hot water heater fitted for gas without being licensed...tried that. Merrimack isn't but a stones throw from here, so my guess is they have the same ordinance.
Idaho and Washington require permits for water heaters as well although a lot are installed without.
My city also now requires carbon monoxide detectors for WH replacements inside a home, and expansion tanks, and pans, and........... no wonder permits aren't pulled.

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Idaho and Washington require permits for water heaters as well although a lot are installed without.
My city also now requires carbon monoxide detectors for WH replacements inside a home, and expansion tanks, and pans, and........... no wonder permits aren't pulled.

In your case- look for a new plumber
I always suggest the basics: pans, CO detector, expansion tank, proper shut offs, ventilation...we paid around $1200 2 years ago when ours went and that was a full upgrade to code, expansion tank included. I'm most concerned about our friend getting ripped off.
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Idaho and Washington require permits for water heaters as well although a lot are installed without.
My city also now requires carbon monoxide detectors for WH replacements inside a home, and expansion tanks, and pans, and........... no wonder permits aren't pulled.

In your case- look for a new plumber
Do you have a citation for your claim about Washington?

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Plumbing fixtures, including water heaters, do not require a permit when replacing like for like.
Snohomish County (Washington State USA) FAQ's Planning and Development Services

http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/docume...0quest0706.pdf

All other locations in Washington that I am aware of in my not insubstantial career are similar. But I sure would like to see the RCW your quoting.
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Do you have a citation for your claim about Washington?

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Snohomish County (Washington State USA) FAQ's Planning and Development Services

http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/docume...0quest0706.pdf

All other locations in Washington that I am aware of in my not insubstantial career are similar. But I sure would like to see the RCW your quoting.
How about we pay attention to the task on hand...we don't need a pissing contest here. codes change from state to state, county to county, city to city. All follow the IRC or IBC as a base and build off that as they see fit.
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Snohomish County (Washington State USA) FAQ's Planning and Development Services

http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/docume...0quest0706.pdf

All other locations in Washington that I am aware of in my not insubstantial career are similar. But I sure would like to see the RCW your quoting.
I know where Snohomish Co is. I used to live in Bothell
I don't have in front of me a code reference except that the UPC code book ly says (paraphrased) "any fixture replacement requires a permit". Washington uses UPC. Of course- cities, counties, etc. can amend it.

a couple years ago the company I was with had installed 3 gas water heaters in an apt. complex over the course of a year. They had to go back and pull permits, pay double fee and have them inspected. The property manager had also installed some electric WH's He too was fined-- City of Spokane WA
Oh, and 1 of the gas heaters failed due to bonding issues
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How about we pay attention to the task on hand...we don't need a pissing contest here. codes change from state to state, county to county, city to city. All follow the IRC or IBC as a base and build off that as they see fit.
I was on task. I was questioning the need for the plumber to bring it to modern code. I don't think the HO is compelled to do so legally
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I was on task. I was questioning the need for the plumber to bring it to modern code. I don't think the HO is compelled to do so legally
And I pretty much agree. some code updates should be enforced. others not so much.
I'll say it again, perhaps another plumber is needed.
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I know where Snohomish Co is. I used to live in Bothell
I remember when Bothell was only in KingCo, now it's in both counties.

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