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Old 01-10-2010, 06:59 PM   #46
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You might want to turn off the water supply to the water heater while your not using it.

It really makes a mesh, when the bottom blows out.

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Old 01-10-2010, 07:11 PM   #47
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You mean turn the water off at the main in the basement or at the hot water heater? It sits pretty close to my furnace. I wiped the water away and will keep in eye on it. I will call the HVAC company first thing tomorrow morning or even tonight.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:24 PM   #48
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Can you see where the water is coming from?

Is it the relief valve on the side of the HWH?
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:25 PM   #49
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I meant the valve at the inlet of the water heater.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:43 PM   #50
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No. I really can't tell. Looks like the water is coming from underneath the unit.

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Can you see where the water is coming from?

Is it the relief valve on the side of the HWH?
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:18 AM   #51
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OK, gi=uest you just have to wait for the serviceman which is probably the best anyway.

Thought maybe you were building up pressure and had to install an expansion tank on the system.
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:28 PM   #52
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I cleaned up the water last night. Checked this morning and no water. Maybe I should of left the water, not that would of made a difference? A tech was out this afternoon. This is what the owner had to say via email...

"Our tech was just at the house. There is no water on floor. I suggest that you place a bucket under the relief valve. If this is going off the water will collect in the bucket. If we find water in the bucket we may need to install an expansion tank. Please let me know of any problems."

I called John the owner and he said an expansion tank is about $150. Oh well, it is what it is. I'll keep an eye on it. How come I did not have this problem with the old tank?
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:36 PM   #53
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Has a pressure reducing valve been installed on your incoming water line recently. Since this water heater was installed.

Or a check valve.
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Not that I am aware of.

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Has a pressure reducing valve been installed on your incoming water line recently. Since this water heater was installed.

Or a check valve.
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:52 PM   #55
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From a diagnostic procedure standpoint, I would just start with the bucket under the relief valve and go from there... that way, you either confirm or eliminate the valve as the point of water egress. Let us know the results and we'll take it from there. PS - Relief valves don't usually drain in a nice, smooth stream... they tend to spatter water everywhere in a 1 foot radius.. you might want to consider extending the valve exit (either with a pipe or a short length of hose) closer to the floor / bucket if it hasn't already been done. See the white pipe in the top illustration on this page -->> http://www.inspectapedia.com/plumbin...Hot_Water2.htm
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:37 PM   #56
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Many times gas fired water heaters are returned as leakers when the heater was not leaking, but rather condensation had formed. Condensation can most easily be defined as a reduction to a denser form (as from water to vapor). A perfect example of condensation is a glass of ice water on a hot day.

Whenever a water heater is filled with cold water, a certain amount of condensation will form while the burner is on. A water heater may appear to be leaking when in fact the water is condensation. This usually happens:

When a new water heater is filled with cold water for the first time.
When gas burns and water vapor is produced in water heaters, particularly high efficiency models where flue temperatures are lower.
When using large amounts of hot water in a short time and the refill water is very cold.
Moisture from the products of combustion condense on the cooler tank surfaces and form drops of water which may fall onto the burner or other hot surfaces to produce a "sizzling" or "frying" noise.

Excessive condensation can cause pilot outages due to water running down the flue tube onto the main burner and putting out the pilot.

Because of the suddenness and amount of water, condensation may be diagnosed as a "tank leak". After the water in the tank warms up (about 1 to 2 hours), the condition should disappear.

Do not assume the water heater is leaking until there has been enough time for the water in the tank to warm up.

An undersized water heater will cause more condensation. The water heater must be sized properly to meet the family's demands for hot water including dishwashers, washing machines, and shower heads.

Excessive condensation may be noticed during the winter and early spring months when incoming water temperatures are at their lowest.

Good venting is essential for a gas fired water heater to operate properly as well as to carry away products of combustion and water vapor.

So, before you pull that heater out, check it one more time and make sure it's not condensation your experiencing.
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:43 PM   #57
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That puddle seemed like a lot of condensation. I will keep an eye on it.

Anyway, if this is occuring because I went from a 40 gallon tank to a 50 gallon tank, I am going to be pissed. It cost me $80 more for the 50 gallon tank, which is no big deal, but it might cost me another $150 for the expansion tank. Geez!
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I've been checking the bucket every morning. Water in there the last few mornings I guess I will be calling the HVAC tech to install the expansion tank.
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Something to check first [disclaimer... I'm no plumbing expert, but...] ...might it be possible that the relief valve is faulty/weak and lets go too easily? Replacing that might be cheaper, if that's the case... Any experts here want to chime in?
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Generally they only become weak. if they have been forced to do their job too many times. or the water temp or pressure has constantly been to close to the trip point.

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