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Old 01-06-2009, 04:13 PM   #16
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clean outs are going to be spaced apart along your main sewer line, if your pipes are old, good luck getting the cleanout off, As for calling the plumber, I'd stick with the first one unless you really dislike him or her. Starting with a new plumber every time won't get you too far, no one works for free and its human nature to not understand what they have to go through to fix our problems. And if I was cutting the pipe, I wouldn't need the sea snake, good tool by the way. And when taking the toilet up, be sure to look inside the base, I've found pens, crayons, and a plastic doll's arm. One side note, besides knowledge, not a lot of people like to deal with what's inside those pipes.

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Old 01-06-2009, 07:24 PM   #17
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sorry 'bout that tub test, it self vents.oops. forgot to ask you to tape off the vent last night.

anyway, being that your not afraid to take off the toilet, take it off again, bring it outside and run the hose through it from the bottom at full volume. If nothing comes out, bring the hose to the bathroom and test the drain. If its clogged, you'll know.

easier said than done, I know

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Old 01-06-2009, 07:27 PM   #18
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Okthanks, we may try that over the weekend. I am not wanting that mess to clean up again quite so soon.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:36 PM   #19
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JDC: I thought the 50 dollars for the service call covered the comp, insurance, gas, etc
So the plumber is supposed to diagnose the problem and fix it for 50 dollars? Again, my kids deserve at least one new pair of shoes a year dont they? Good grief there would be NO plumbers in business if they operated on those price controls.

Find a plumber that is reliable and reputable. Perhaps he operates on a flat rate basis. This way you'll know the price up front before any work is performed. If you dont like the price you can always say "NO". If the plumber operates on a per hour basis then find out his per hour rate before he starts. Again, if you dont like the hourly rate, find someone else.

I'm not trying to be an ass about it. I do want to see your issue resolved. If I didnt, I wouldnt even come on these forums. It is difficult to diagnose some problems over the internet, but if I were a betting man (and I actually am) I'd bet that clog is either downstream of the toilet or in the toilet trap itself.

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Old 01-07-2009, 08:06 AM   #20
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JDC: I don't know why you are so nasty with the comments you direct towards me, but just so you know, I came to this board for information, not sarcastic remarks.

I've had enough service people at my house since Hurricane Ike to know that most are out there to make an extra buck whether something needs to be done or not, so being cautious, I came here first.

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Old 01-07-2009, 09:06 AM   #21
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Sorry Z,

You need to see the other side from JDC's shoes. I know he can speak for himself but I too am a tradesman although not a plumber, not licensed like JDC has to be. We're not all crooks. By circumstance and location you are amongst those who take advantage of opportunity after a storm. Deal with those you know bt reputation.

I have changed light bulbs for widows while on service calls and billed a "SMILE" to those less fortunate. It always comes back ten fold and I have also recieved huge tips on Christmas eve. Would you be working on call at 6 PM??

Either way we are all in business to make a living. You don't need a university degree to be WORTH $60 or more an hour, but you do need knowledge and expertise. Hopefully some credibility too.

The cost of being on the road is expensive but the good trades also factor in accountability and liability. Not all plumbers have their jeans 3" too low.The truck is often the office. The next call 45 minutes across town is lost time on site. And it's surely not 9-5.

I suspect JDC is right up there with the class acts or he wouldn't be volunteering experience for free. I carry basic pipe and tools, I only deal with dust and dry stuff. I wouldn't clean any body elses fecal problems for $75 an hour probably not $100. But I'll help my neighbours for a beer shared afterward.

I once located a missing engagement ring in a vac pipe beyond a finshed California ceiling. I cut in, within 8",got out and installed a cold air grille to cover the hole, gone within an hour. What is knowing how and where to do that worth? It was worth the smile believe me... Net charge with parts less than $75. She would have paid $500.....I'm sure JDC has far better rescue stories.

Any guy who can save me or my family from a room full of sewage, man that is right up there in my book!

Sorry about IKE though... remember this too shall pass.
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Z, If you pull the toilet again and can't clearly identify whether the blockage is in the toilet or drain you could swap it for the toilet that you know works. That will tell you clearly whether the blockage is in the toilet or drain.
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Thanks guys. Good advice.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:54 PM   #24
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It is not my intent to be nasty or sarcastic. However, I stand by what I say about what you were charged for the service call. I apologize for coming across as an ass. I will comment no further nor offer any more advice on your problem.
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JDC, I'm not a plumber by any means, so wanted to pass along I appreciate your help and knowledge on here, no reply necessary.
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That's fine JDC..No hard feelings. I just didn't appreciate hearing how I ripped someone off, when I paid what they asked. This was a major plumbing company local to this area.

I had an air conditioning company here a couple years ago, and when I questioned the bill being so small I was told the service techs are to make long term customers, because if they treat people right they'll buy the new units from them when the time comes. You know what? I did. Heat and Air inside and outside units.
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It sounds like a clog in the pipe not the toilet since my experience with Kohlers is good.

Pardon the expression but slop and paper self heal when you ream them with a small snake like the ones used for sink clogs.

If you remove the toilet can you get a large plunger over the pipe and try pumping it out?

Then after much time and aggravation call a plumber or drain clearing company.
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Oh heck Baron, why the heck not, we've done everything else...one more go at it may fix the problem, who knows, right?

And same here. We've replaced with one Kohler and like it fine, so last year we bought one for the other bathroom.
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Good luck.

With the toilet off it would be safe to pour in drano or a really strong drain cleaner like Mister Plumber, but never pour them down a toilet as the heat build up can crack the porcelain when it gets stuck in the trap.
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Baron , can I get you to translate that last post into a language my wife can understand?

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