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Old 12-15-2010, 09:00 PM   #31
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That first contrator in my opinion is not trustworthy. You should be very
wary when a contractor tries high pressure tactics like offering you $$$$ off
but you have act yesterday. That would immediately get my suspicion hairs
all up in row. I hate "high pressure tactics" What is pvc pipe on sale for
only the next week at the local plumbers supply. It sounds to me that this
lining thing is at best a band aid solution and not a long term fix. I would ask
for references and check them out. Check out the contractor ( any you hire) with the local business bureau in your area to see if there are any complaints.
Check on their years of serving "your community" if you live in a smaller
town hiring from the community might be a good idea.
There are 2 different types of Lining. If they are doing a Complete linining then IT IS IN NO WAY A BAND AID. It is a strong repair that will give 1 solid pipe when the Lining hardens. There will be NO seams or breaks. If it is a Patch then if this is the only spot then it is Permanent and you will have NO MORE PROBLEMS FROM THIS SPOT! But if other spots have problems you could have problems there.

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Old 12-16-2010, 11:49 PM   #32
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I wasnt suggesting that it wasnt a bona fide technique but rather that I detest high pressure sales tactics of any kind, its like, if you dont hire them
immediately then they are dangling this $100. carrot. Good contractors would
want to write a proper quote up, they may say you should allow so many % for contingencies. In this case I think that would be normal and prudent since
it is impossible to tell the extent of the damage until the initial lining is complete. If no further backups or leaks -fine if problem persists then I guess
Your contractor would already have filled you in on what could be done
to find a perminent remedy to your problem. I would get at least 2 maybe 3 other written quotes and study the heck out of them. Get references that
you can verify before going ahead and signing on the dotted line. Find out
how long your contractors have been in business and their success rate. Remember price is just one of the determining factors when hiring a contractor and certainly shouldnt be paramount.
Oh and good luck and keep us posted.
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Old 12-17-2010, 12:00 AM   #33
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Oh and I forgot ask for your contractor to provide appropriate licencing, governmental and trade and check them out. If they refuse to produce
licencing and insurance then run and dont stop running. And find another
contractor
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Old 12-17-2010, 12:15 AM   #34
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I was not saying that... Sorry... I was just tossing out information on the product for those other home owners sitting there going "What is This Lining crap" many People (Plumbers included) have never heard of the process and a ton of Plumbers do not have the 30K to lay out for the machine and equipment package. Heck most plumbing companies are suprised when we say we do Linings or offer to Jet a line and bring out a trailer with our Jetter. There are many things that Homeowners are not aware of and I am just here to give info on the technology that is out there. Here is How We work

You call us out to snake your drains and I pull back roots
I explain that I can not guarantee that the drain wll stay this way because once the drains are in the pipe they have reached a natural fertilizer and will grow like crazy. Not to mention that a root is like a nail sticking out of a floor in that it will constantly catch on things... So every time you flush a little toilet paper gets caught. Now since I can not guarantee that it will stay clean for a day or a year I will offer them 1 free drain cleaning over the next year if it clogs again.
When/if it clogs again I will also do a camera at that time to see what ever the problem was and give a quote at that time to replace or line the sewer. Why can I do this?
1- I own my snakes like everyone else
2- I own my Camera
3- I own my Liner
4- If it can be jetted I own my jetter

We are the only company in the area that I know doing liners. I think 1 other company did it a while ago but the training and turn over was to much for them
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Old 12-17-2010, 07:45 AM   #35
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I was not saying that... Sorry... I was just tossing out information on the product for those other home owners sitting there going "What is This Lining crap" many People (Plumbers included) have never heard of the process and a ton of Plumbers do not have the 30K to lay out for the machine and equipment package. Heck most plumbing companies are suprised when we say we do Linings or offer to Jet a line and bring out a trailer with our Jetter. There are many things that Homeowners are not aware of and I am just here to give info on the technology that is out there. Here is How We work

You call us out to snake your drains and I pull back roots
I explain that I can not guarantee that the drain wll stay this way because once the drains are in the pipe they have reached a natural fertilizer and will grow like crazy. Not to mention that a root is like a nail sticking out of a floor in that it will constantly catch on things... So every time you flush a little toilet paper gets caught. Now since I can not guarantee that it will stay clean for a day or a year I will offer them 1 free drain cleaning over the next year if it clogs again.
When/if it clogs again I will also do a camera at that time to see what ever the problem was and give a quote at that time to replace or line the sewer. Why can I do this?
1- I own my snakes like everyone else
2- I own my Camera
3- I own my Liner
4- If it can be jetted I own my jetter

We are the only company in the area that I know doing liners. I think 1 other company did it a while ago but the training and turn over was to much for them
YO DOC, now that's some good information I like that.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:46 PM   #36
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Hi doc...yep I agree with you. I havent heard of this lining system. but then
innovations come at us " thick & fast these days so keeping up can be impossible. I went to the links you left. I must say the lining system is
pretty interesting!. I am only a humble homeowner, myself with
my own plumbing issues, different though since I live in a rural area. One
thing is a constant though for ciy living or country living that is finding
reliable trades. There are an awful lot of "snake oil " types around. Its nice
to have a sounding board like diy chatroom. I do wish unfortunateluck good
luck. I know how these problems can drag you down. I have 140 years of
repairs and renovations by largely unlicenced and incompetant persons to
put right.
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:19 PM   #37
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Thanks... I actually go and look at a ton of new ideas and if someone is selling a Green house in the area... I am taking a look!!!! I love to look at ideas they have in Europe and the new technology at trade shows. So much to learn and so much new stuff every week! I have a Piece of equipment in my basement that I designed and is now a coffee table It was a Winch that I was able to fasten to the front end of a dig machine and pull a new water line through the old water line... I wish I would have patented that Idea... Now you can buy a machine that drops down in a hole and does the same thing mine did oh well... I still wonder if someone saw my idea or if 2 minds were just coming up with similar ideas. My idea i have being built for me now is a blade that goes on the end of the Digger that is just a flat piece of thick medal so I can push the dirt in the hole.
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hey doc..I believe that thing with your invention is called serindipity ( if ive
spelled it right) That is to say that when the collective intellegence as
a species is there and the need is there that two completely unconnected
people can invent the same darn thing at the same time. Ive had a few
moments like that myself. Promise me the next time you come up with an
idea you run with it. As I said I live out in the country, not much happens
around here, save the occaisional " grow op" raid and loose cows.
we dont get to many trade shows (unless they are of an agricultural nature)
around here. I used to go to shows all the time but I just live to far away from the big city to do that now. Anyway my business keeps me at home
pretty much full time. Hey maybe you could help me with something. Could
you explain to me how a cistern pump works. I have a pump under my ground
floor bedroom, It blew up last year spewing water into my crawl space. I believe it is connected to a cistern under my kitchen but I cannot get underneath to confirm this as the idots that renovated my kitchen in the
90s blocked the access. I think there maybe water still in the cistern as
the floor above takes all day to dry when washed. I should mention the
busted pump is under my bedroom which is an addition onto the original
house ( which is over 140 years old). There was an opening between the
two parts of the house but it has been filled in with rubble. I thought
if I could get the pump working I could see if there is anything still to pump
out.


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