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Old 01-11-2012, 08:54 PM   #31
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:10 AM   #32
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Check hardware stores with real plumbing sections. Godwin Hardware here in GR sells the real stuff, I know, I just did this whole investigation testing the box store theory and yes, there are differences. I'm not a plumber obviously, and they have no problem selling to anyone.

As for the letter, it is artfully crafted to cover their azzes.

"The product you order from any local Lowes or Home Depot will be the same product that your contractor sell you. They are made of the same material and are no lesser of a quality."

Lowe's: Builder grade faucets. Bought by builder? Builder = contractor. Thus, contractor is selling builders grade if they buy it at a box store. They're not lying, but they're not expanding to tell the whole story. They're only answering exactly what you asked, not what you really wanted to know.
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Old 01-15-2012, 02:46 AM   #33
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I have always been told this advice:

Delta for sink faucets, Moen for shower valves, Kohler for toilets.

Although American Standards toilet line has gotten a lot better with their power flush technology.
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:05 PM   #34
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I normally do not reply to old posts but see that some have resurrected this so will chime in. I actually had a plumber at my house last night to fix a bad leak and also install a kitchen faucet, which I could have done myself but he billed by the half hour and had 20 minutes left so put it in for me quick. I asked him the same question, is there a difference from what he sells and what I buy at home dept etc. he said absolutely not.. and he made a good point. If you were Delta, moen etc would you put your name on crap where the majority of your faucets are sold? No way..bad business. They sell more faucets through Lowes, HD etc than via plumbers and contractors. Their reputation would suffer by making junk for the home improvement sector.
That said, you can can get very good heavy quality faucets via your plumber but look at the expensive ones at Lowes etc...they are built like tanks. The average faucets are plastic and lightweight for several reasons.. less metal and lead to come in contact with water..the finishes, while not metal, are more resilient to tarnisng, rusting, corroding etc... that is why they have lifetime warranty on finish etc.
bottom line is even my plumber, who could sell me the same thing for more money told me they are the same quality. He also told me they dont want customers knowing their secrets...
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:36 AM   #35
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My eyes must have deceived me then. It must have just been very lightweight plastic colored brass in the comparable faucets I was looking at. Who knew!
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The most obvious differance youre going to see between the lav faucet you buy at menards and the one i can buy at ferguson is the drain/pop up assembly on the supply house version is normally metal.
Most supply houses are set up for supplying faucets for heavier commercial use,it normally wont make any differance in a residential application as long as you buy a decent name brand
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:32 PM   #37
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I hear what everybody is saying but reality is when you new a set of faucet's you need them so just go to the big box store and get one with a good name: Delta.
Plumbing supply houses are good for plumbers but if your not a plumber and go in there be prepared to be laughed at picked on goggled at and made a total fool if you don't know the terminology/ lingo.

A model number is a model number weather you buy it at H. D. , Ls or a plumbing supply.
there may be slight differences in the parts that go with it but it's no big deal.
So what if you have a plastic drain piece most of the drains go into PVC anyway.
Time to get ripped up.
I'm talking strictly residential here in DIY.
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This was an interesting topic to read. I'm not a plumber but I've done enough plumbing in my own homes to recognize a cheap faucet disguising itself as a high quality one. I became disheartened with all the brands mentioned above when shopping for a kitchen faucet.

My wife and I wanted a good quality faucet for our kitchen remodel but didn't want to pay $800 or more for the expensive boutique brands. We couldn't find a faucet in HD, Lowes, or other home improvement centers that wasn't made mostly out of plastic trim and parts. In fact, you can see where the finish wears off these faucets from being touched by customers.

Fortunately we found the perfect faucet for us when looking for counter tops. It's a Rugby RS F3. I think they are fairly new in the faucet market. Almost the entire faucet is made of 304 stainless and it has a ceramic disc cartridge. And it's heavy! It cost us just under $300 and is built like a tank. We've had it for 2 years now and it looks brand new still. And this is with So Cal hard water. I don't think they make tub or shower faucets yet, but hell, I'm still impressed with this thing!
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I get my supplies from Habitat For Humanity Resale Store.... toilets are $40

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Well, I'm new to all this. we just bought our house about 6 months ago. And i just had the displeasure of dealing with Moen for the first time. Our shower temp selection handle completely broke off with part of the moen cartridge stuck in it. We managed to get that out so we could find a part number, bought the part for $35, and the cartridge puller for 30. So $70 bucks when all was said and done, we could have bought a whole new shower kit for that, i discovered later. Got home and couldn't use the puller bc the part it threads on to was broken off. We managed to twist it once with the plastic piece the part came with, which took 2 of us about 25 minutes. It still wouldn't come out, it was hopelessly stuck and we had no way of pulling on it, twisting wasn't doing anything but breaking the plastic. I finally thought to use a couple of self tapping screws and screw them in to the plastic of the cartridge to give us something to pull on which helped considerably, no way it'd have come out without that. It still took 3 of us another 45 minutes to get it out. The seals were totally stuck and ripped on the way out.
I had a little hope when the employee at home Depot told me that moen had a lifetime warranty, and since my moen kitchen faucet has been leaking like a sieve, I figured I'd give them a call. They first informed me that we weren't covered by their warranty because we aren't the original buyers, and that the parts for my sink would be another $46. And they could get them to me in 2 weeks! So I asked if the new parts we were buying and had recently bought would be covered by that awesome lifetime warranty? Nope, because we didn't buy the original assembly in the first place, these are just considered replacement parts and "you'll always have to pay to replace the parts that break" this house was just built in 2005 and I've had 2 moen parts go out so far. When we remodel, I'm not going for moen, that's for sure.
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Was it a plastic or brass cartridge?
Once you remove the c-clip that holds the cartridge in put the puller on there and see if you can get the outer shell of cartridge to spin.
Then lock down on whats left of the brass pull out where handle goes with a pair of vise grips and give it a yank to see if the cartridge will come out.
If the cartridge comes out problem solved,If not move on to plan b.
If the center comes out of cartridge leaving the shell get a piece of 1/4" copper about an 1" long and stick it in where the stem came out.
Then screw a 1/2" pipe tap into the shell of cartridge,as it bottems out against the piece of tubing in will push the shell out.
Make sure to clean the valve out really good and lube the new cartridge before reinstalling.
No brand of faucet has a perfect record,**** happens sometimes as they say.
As far as warrantee parts I still have a moen rep I deal with that sends me free parts anytime I need them.
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It was a plastic cartridge and there was no metal anywhere to grab on to because it was broken off. but we did eventually get it out with the self tapers to pull on. anyway, Moen has a chance with me yet, i complained and they're sending me the sink parts free and giving me 15% off my next order :D
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Usually the plastic versions don't get stuck,unless it was a cheap non moen cartridge.
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hands down, no contest!!

Moen is great because, if you experience a leaky cartridge, ANY hardware store carries a FREE replacement. Their quality surpasses delta and pfister- (whatever, silly name and owned by black and decker). Moen has been building quality products for a very long time.
It's no different for delta

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