Thanks for your replies guys.
Let me try to reply to each of your replies in the order that they came.
What if I told you that the guy who made the clog worse is a Union Plumber?
This plumber spoke of cutting the main drain pipe under the house with a torch cutter (you know, fire, it was invented a long time ago)
instead of cutting it with a saw... then putting it back together with some kind of rubber grommet connector once he hopefully cleared the clog.
And are you asking what the drains are made of or are you asking what the pipes are made of?... big difference. The pipes are some kind of metal, not PVC, and the drains themselves seem to be made of chrome.
You'll have to clarify three things for me... what is "prove out"
... is that plumber speak for "find"
?... maybe we could stick with universal words. And if by "trap"
, you mean the curved trap pipe under the sink, then in my original post I spoke of me pulling the trap pipe twice and the plumber pulling it once... that's not where the clog is, thus my lengthy explanation above. And if the "stub out"
is somewhere connected to the trap, like "the pipe that comes out of the wall under the sink"
, then I've already answered that question in my original post. I can respect the nomenclature of a profession when it is being used between two professionals, but when using it on an amateur, like me, it's just confusing.
My Grandfather built this house in 1973, and he was a licensed architect and contractor for over 50 years of his life, so I imagine that he either put the pipes in correctly or he hired someone to do it right, since he was building the house for his daughter at the time... this isn't a cheapo subdivision house or a condo made by a shiester property developer... but poor design and implementation is a reasonable assumption to make these days, but lets rule that out in this case.
I doubt the sink is clogged with grease, since it's a bathroom sink, as stated in my original post above, so the clog is most likely made of hair, dirt and soap scum hardened in to what seems to be some sort of titanium substance... other sinks are clear. And no, there is no garbage disposal in my bathroom sink, though I think Kramer on "Seinfeld"
has a garbage disposal in his bathtub. I'll try to find the vent pipe on the roof above where this sink is located and ask a plumber about that option... THANKS.
I won't be using anything, including the sink, if this clog isn't cleared, and I've been able to clear clogged pipes with Draino in the past. Plumbers hating Draino may be compared to a carburetor repairman hating carburetor cleaner, since it helps to avoid going to the carburetor repair shop, but either way, you'll have to admit to yourself that people use Draino, Liquid Plumber, etc. in their pipes, and often the pipes don't explode as a result.
Again, torch cutting, like where a little blue flame of fire cuts metal... you must have heard of it at some point in your life... no misunderstandings.
I think "he needs in the crawl"
to get to the pipe under the house that he thinks he can fix it from... that would be my guess. I suppose the stack
and the horizontal arm
is where he thinks he can reach it from, or if you were here, I'm guessing that would be your assessment of the situation.
Nope, not taking the Draino back, since it's in the pipes now... but the Draino didn't cost $120, nor did it make the clog and the whole situation worse. If I take my car to the carburetor repairman and he makes my clogged carburetor worse, would he charge me for that waste of time? Might he credit the charges for that time wasted toward a procedure that might actually make the situation better instead of worse?... I'd hope so, or I'd never go back to him. Same thing with a plumber. Plumbers aren't doctors who get paid no matter how much worse they make things, and doctors run the risk of getting sued for malpractice... do you? And I've never heard of a 12 year long plumber's school requirement. Glad to know you can get paid no matter the outcome of your work... in my line of work, if I don't get the job done, no one will pay me... that's the way the rest of the world works too.
That camera snake would be cool, but once I see the clog, then what?... I'd get a little sick and then I'd be back to square one.
@ joes plumbing
Going under the house for a 2nd floor clog seems a bit backwards to me too, but I'm not a plumber. I'll see if I can find a drain cleaning specialist... wonder if that's covered under my medical like a heart specialist is... I know home insurance won't cover it because that policy doesn't cover anything as it turns out.
I guess I just expect someone who takes on a job to know what they're doing based on their advertisements and their job title, but I guess that's like expecting Viagra to give me a four hour woody. In my business, no one gets paid if the job isn't done, and done on schedule. If a plumber can't fix a clog without ripping in to the walls, then the hell with it, I'd rather use the hose outside to wash my hands, brush my teeth and shave.
Any other advice?