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Old 06-07-2012, 05:02 PM   #1
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Hello all,

Sorry for length of the request, I'm just trying to be as detailed as possible because at this point I am just confused.

Let me start with some specifics about my home:

  • A 1400 ft ranch on a slab, I would say it is a basic "L" shaped house
  • I have a sewer system
  • 2 bathrooms
  • Washer linked into sewer (pipes) for waste water
  • If you stand facing my home the bathrooms are on the left side of the house and I think they are in line with sewer pipe to the street.
  • Kitchen sink is in about the middle of the house
  • Washer is on the right side of the house
Issue
Whenever we wash clothes during the rinse cycle the sink in the Kitchen backs up.


Things done to resolve issue - Plumber

1st time - The kitchen sink and both bathrooms were backing up with nasty stuff, called plumber and he said "Roots in the sewer line"


2nd time - Kitchen sink back ups whenever we wash clothes and the bathroom was fine. I called the plumber and he snaked from the bathroom and the kitchen, issue went away.


3rd time (2weeks later) - Kitchen sink back ups whenever we wash clothes and the bathrooms are fine. I called the plumber and he snaked from the washer and the sink, issue went away.


4th time - About 6 months later kitchen sink back ups whenever we wash clothes and the bathrooms are fine. I called the plumber and he wanted to snake again ???



WTH - At $250 a pop and the amount of times it is happening I need to figure out how to do it myself.


Things done to resolve issue - Myself



I bought a 25ft 5/16 snake form home depot, I snaked from the kitchen sink. It feed out about 15ft and I hit a blockage, don't know what it is but I fought with it for about 4 hours. I was to the point were the snake was stuck and it took me another hour to remove.


Next I snaked from the washer and the snake feed all the way out without resistance.


At this point I am getting different advise from different places.



  • Home Depot - Dig up the trap located outside your house and clean out any obstructions (In process .... damn it is deep.... ..... and I hope I am digging in the right place, I am digging around the pipe outside that the plumber used to clear the roots)
  • Plumber - Rent a snake from home depot 75ft and snake from washer.
  • Home Depot - Don't use a 75ft snake, just use the 25ft and fight through the clog.
  • Home Depot - Use chemicals ....
  • Wife - CALL THE PLUMBER ALREADY


I have been dealing with is issue for about 2 weeks. I should be able to fix it and the plumber has already fixed this issue twice before and I am not ready to pay another $250 for something that looks like it will happen again.

Any help or advise is greatly appreciated .....

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If you have to do this your self--rent a more substantial rodding machine---

You never mentioned the age and type of pipes---

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Thanks for the response .... Mike

The house was built in 1974.

I am not really sure what kind of pipes:

Kitchen - When I remove the PVC pipe from the wall (P trap ?) I snake into a copper pipe.

Washer (Mudroom) - I am going into a PVC pipe .... coming out of the wall a little lower than the pipe that has the waste water hose from the washer connected to it.
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If you have copper drains,they are likely getting corroded--do not use chemical cleaners--ever--they can finish off the copper in a hurry--

Try a good rodding machine--often the small snakes will simply push a hole through a clog but not break it up---
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I use a 3/8 cable on secondary lines.
Your problem is between the bathrooms and the kitchen branch.
You probably have a 2" cast iron line (copper drains are seldom underground)that has failed. When your cable was stuck, you might have been outside the pipe. Without being there running the cable it's hard to say.
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Send a camera down the line to see what is happening.
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OK ....

I went on Annie's list, and got some reputable plumbers ....... 1st guy came and we agreed on a price.

He proceeded to snake the pipe from the kitchen sink and it came back with mud. He next informed me that I have a broken/busted pipe.

I am now on the phone with my insurance company, since my house is on a slab I need to break the floor to get at pipe to fix or replace.

The saga continues ...... (Boy do I miss having a super, the joys of home ownership)
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OK ....

I went on Annie's list, and got some reputable plumbers ....... 1st guy came and we agreed on a price.

He proceeded to snake the pipe from the kitchen sink and it came back with mud. He next informed me that I have a broken/busted pipe.

I am now on the phone with my insurance company, since my house is on a slab I need to break the floor to get at pipe to fix or replace.

The saga continues ...... (Boy do I miss having a super, the joys of home ownership)
Easy here. When we do slab DWV repairs we ALWAYS us a locator to trace out that collapsed line so NOT to jack hammer unnecessarily..
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Easy here. When we do slab DWV repairs we ALWAYS us a locator to trace out that collapsed line so NOT to jack hammer unnecessarily..
Thanks for the response ...

The plumber came to the conclusion that I had a busted pipe from the fact that he had mud on the snake, so I did put a claim in with my insurance company. He did say that once the adjuster approves the job they do send a camera down to see exactly were the pipe is busted

I'm just curious about:

Why my snake didn't come back with mud when I snaked ? Maybe I broke the pipe ? I mean the plumber did have a larger snake than the one I used, I'm not sure ....
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Hello all,

OK ..... Every thing is in order .... I got the claim number from home insurance .... the plumber will commence to break through the floor tomorrow morning. Once the work is completed, I fax the plumbers findings to insurance company.

Just one question left:

Question: I asked how the plumber was going to pin point the break ?

Answer: He told me he has to break the floor in order to trace the line.

Question: Can't you send a camera do the line to I find it ?

Answer: You can't put a camera down a pipe like that, it is very corroded.

Does this sound right ?

Thanks for every bodies help .....
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You can't put a camera down a pipe like that, it is very corroded.
Huh????

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You can't put a camera down a pipe like that, it is very corroded.


Huh????

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LOL ..... I know, it didn't sound kosher to me either ......

I'm just wondering if I'm over thinking the whole situation at this point, the plumber attitude just seems to be:

"Don't worry your insurance will cover it"
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I suppose as long as you're covered, repaired and warrantied in case it doesn't work, let it happen and get some sleep!

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It depends on the size of the pipe and how many elbows. Cameras are very expensive. Most shops only have cameras for 3 and 4" lines.
But using his cable he might be able to measure and locate the spot.
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It depends on the size of the pipe and how many elbows. Cameras are very expensive. Most shops only have cameras for 3 and 4" lines.
But using his cable he might be able to measure and locate the spot.

I think it is only a 2" line, I will ask him tomorrow ......

Like Danger Mouse said I'm just going to go with it, I have tried to fix it myself and it didn't work out.

Wife is about to go out and buy a jackhammer herself ...... so let me just let the plumber and insurance company work it out.

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