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Old 01-31-2012, 02:28 AM   #16
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I'm a bit wierded out by all this discussion - like, anyone know "plumbing"?
First, the main function of a trap is not to catch crap, but to hold water and block sewer gas from coming back through your drain.
A p-trap should never be glued under any sink, but uses a nut (see the second joint in your pic - that's one) and compression washer to clamp down on the pipes its connecting (drop from the sink, waste arm into the main drain). That way it can be removed if clogged or damaged, etc.
That "Y" is called a "Santee". It takes the water from the p-trap/waste arm and ushers it into the drain line. (The "straight up" side is likely a drain of something upstairs or the vent.) If you ever get clogged (& who doesn't?) it efficiently guides a snake DOWN the drain to clear it.
Traps should never be "looped" like a roller coaster ride, but make as good a staight line from sink to wall as possible. Loops like you have really help create slow, gunked up and clogged drains. The "loop" usually can be avoided by cutting the waste arm (that curve from the back/lower side of the trap 7 fed into the drain via another compression joint on a feed glued into the Santee).
You have, by gluing you trap and making such a bad design have created a potential nightmare, a problem waiting (or promising) to happen. Move out as soon as you can, for both your and the landlord's sake!

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First, the main function of a trap is not to catch crap, but to hold water and block sewer gas from coming back through your drain.
I never said catching waste was its "main" function.

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PVC cement works by melting the two surfaces together --solvent weld---that's the word--

It is not a glue at all--so ,no you can't build up the 'glue' to fill a gap--because it's not a glue.

Those black pipes are not PVC---they are XXXX ABS and require a cement that is designed for that--pvc cement will not work.
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Those black pipes are not cpvc,theyre abs
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Those black pipes are not cpvc,theyre abs

Thanks for catching that!!!

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This area we have never seen that ABS---PVC only--the codes here are so out of this world---
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"CHEAP FIX/JIMMY RIGGED" in this situation isn't gonna bother me in the long run: I AM RENTING! If it fails while I'm still here... or even after, I will have the owner to look it up and re-do a drain job on this sink.
This is the proper way to fix it. Give him a call, if he needs help too, we're here
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Traps should never be "looped" like a roller coaster ride, but make as good a staight line from sink to wall as possible.


In a perfect world maybe.
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Yeah, I know the world isn't perfect ... but, there was so much crazy here (not just ignorant), like the pvc v. abs, using glue to act as caulking, and ... you notice, the whole "problem", the slight leak at the top of the trap, would have (99.999% likely) been solved by tightening the nut a tad, rather than swabbing it all in glue. That 0.001% chance merely tightening the compression nut would be if the compression washer was broken/damaged or a serious scratch in the drain line from the sink.
I woke up this morning fairly suspicious the whole thing was really a joke, a put on! And I still am not sure it wasn't. Like, wouldn't even the most inexperienced person first try tightening the bleaking joint rather than getting a can of glue and swathing it all?
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Yeah, I know the world isn't perfect ... but, there was so much crazy here (not just ignorant), like the pvc v. abs, using glue to act as caulking, and ... you notice, the whole "problem", the slight leak at the top of the trap, would have (99.999% likely) been solved by tightening the nut a tad, rather than swabbing it all in glue. That 0.001% chance merely tightening the compression nut would be if the compression washer was broken/damaged or a serious scratch in the drain line from the sink.
I woke up this morning fairly suspicious the whole thing was really a joke, a put on! And I still am not sure it wasn't. Like, wouldn't even the most inexperienced person first try tightening the bleaking joint rather than getting a can of glue and swathing it all?
Sorry, but WTF man? You really know your stuff but you are way out in the left field the way you think things were fixed by me here. There was NO PLASTIC SCREW where I (re)glued! Look at the picture! It's a "T" going into a 180 turn and it is joined by a little piece of straight pipe, GLUED. I NEVER REMOVED ANYTHING! It was already like this!!!

Oh, and I probably just didn't used the proper type of pipe... I had PVC in head and said PVC... but it's actually ABS and my glue is ABS... my bad!!
I used the first term that came in mind without thinking further.
PVC are harder plastic, often white in my area. These are especially used for big drains of large diameter. The glue I have is a ABS glue for those smaller plumbing pipes. I have the right glue for the right pipes becaue we don't use PVC pipes for those drain around here.
And this type of glue (ABS) creates an "epoxy" (plastic-y... glass-y) type of coating when dry... right now, it's rock hard and I don't see how it could drip again.

I simply dumbly fixed something that was already really dumb in the first place. I give my landlord no respect at all. Here's such a fkn idiot and moron. I would never re-do the whole job myself just to please him. And anyways, he was on vacation for a week when this happened, so I had to fix it ASAP anyway I could, without having to replace the whole goddamn thing, especially that the dishwasher was overflowed and leaked on the floor BIG time because of the clogged drain and I had to fix it ASAP, anyway possible with what I had.

For the second leak I had, it was the METAL screw just after the sink... it was, very slowly, letting some water build up and then would leak. I tried tightening the nut but it still would drip. So I unscrewed the nut completely, cleaned with threads, put on some layers of teflon and rescrewed it on... and now no leak.

So, bareshiyth, I really appreciate your input, but you're me giving **** for things you completely got WRONG about the whole story.

-The joint WAS glued in the first place. NO SCREW... so how do you expect me to tighten it a tad? I simply re-glued on top while it was dry. So, NO, it would NOT have been 99.999% likely fixed by tightening... !!!
-Yeah, I misnamed the type of plastic, PVC instead of ABS.

You probably are just really confused about the whole story, especially if you read the whole thing really fast to catch up, I give you that if that's the case.

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I never said catching waste was its "main" function.
No offense, but I also catched your turn of phrase being: "to catch crap".

I know a P-trap is meant to filter odors by letting some water in the pipes. Normally, those P traps have a plastic cover screwed pointing down that you can remove to clean the gunk and debrits, and remove the water before replacing or fixing things.
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(The "straight up" side is likely a drain of something upstairs or the vent.)
I'm the top floor, and the sink is installed on an "island counter"... It's a vent.
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Traps should never be "looped" like a roller coaster ride, but make as good a staight line from sink to wall as possible. Loops like you have really help create slow, gunked up and clogged drains.
I don't really get what you mean by "loop" like a roller coaster. My sink drained EXTREMELY well and would create a suction sound when draining a lot of water. I got it clogged when doing pastry with flour and yeast. (yes, a stupid move of flushing those down the drain... I learned!)

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You have, by gluing you trap and making such a bad design have created a potential nightmare, a problem waiting (or promising) to happen. Move out as soon as you can, for both your and the landlord's sake!
I DIDN'T glue it, it already was.
I DIDN'T make a bad design, I didn't change anything! It is the landlord who did it like this a long while ago. (Read my post about the clothe dryer's outlet... you'll understand how moron he is...)
It won't be for the landlord's sake if I move out. You get it wrong. HE'S idiot.
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OKAY ALEX! My humble appologies. I will admit it was late, the last thing I read, and seeing the picture, thought that gluey mess was what you were talking about. It should be a screw/comp nut connection, so if that actually shows your "DIYer" landlord's work ... mea culpa, and I agree he's a dangerous example of how DIY is dangerous to all of us, especially in landlords!!!! BUT, I still recommend you move out ASAP, for your own safety! And, knowing a lot of landlords, your economic security ... he will probably be blaming you for any troubles or disasters thay may occur there.

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Those black pipes are not cpvc,theyre abs
I have seen black cpvc
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Black cpvc. Although rare it does exist.

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