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Old 07-31-2012, 01:55 PM   #1
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Hi,
Started a new thread since the topic was a little different. In troubleshooting the my not used, roughed in plumbing installed by the builder...I noticed there is NO cleanout in the 2 inch pipe leading to the sewer, so if a blockage ever happens when the bathroom is functioning, I wont have access to this pipe.

Is this Code?

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Depends on a few code exceptions and which plumbing code. Was it permitted and inspected?

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Hi,
Started a new thread since the topic was a little different. In troubleshooting the my not used, roughed in plumbing installed by the builder...I noticed there is NO cleanout in the 2 inch pipe leading to the sewer, so if a blockage ever happens when the bathroom is functioning, I wont have access to this pipe.

Is this Code?

thanks
If iam reading this right ..your future rough in plumbing is not being used at present....no reason to have a cleanout yet.. it will be installed when ready to be used...not matter what a code says....it always good to have a clean out at the base of a drain line..if its going to be accessable...
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Im having problems with my ejector pump not pumping up to the ceiling...sewer above basement floor, I would have liked to have been able to inspect the pipe.

The county got back to me...and I guess no cleanout is required....

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Im having problems with my ejector pump not pumping up to the ceiling...sewer above basement floor, I would have liked to have been able to inspect the pipe.

The county got back to me...and I guess no cleanout is required....

thanks for the responses tho
Are you saying that the 2" ejection line doesn't have a CO or a 2" sub drain line does not have a clean out?
The ejection line typically does not require one. It should have a gate or ball valve and a check valve though.
How high are you lifting to get to your building drain?
Have you pulled the pump and inspected the impeller?
Have you looked at the manufacturers website for performance curves and verified your pump is sized properly?
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Im having problems with my ejector pump not pumping up to the ceiling...sewer above basement floor, I would have liked to have been able to inspect the pipe.

The county got back to me...and I guess no cleanout is required....

thanks for the responses tho
even though i can't see the job..and you say cleanout is not required......imo you should have a clean out ...see post#3
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There is a check valve and ball/shutoff valve. The pump was froze up, impeller not turning. I got the impeller turning again and I thought it was fixed. But then the impeller froze for a 2nd time...hand turned the impeller until it moved freely. This is when I noticed the pump was not pumping out the water tho the pump impellet was working. My next action will be to hook it up to a new 8 ft Pvc pipe to temporarily to test the pump if it can pump to that head

With no clean out I can't tell if it is the pump or existing pipe installation.
I will get a clean out installed when I finish the bathroom.... A glaciers pace these days ! :-)

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You don't WANT a cleanout on your pressure line, especially inside of the house.




That line WILL have sewage under some pressure at all times. You do not want a cleanout on it. If you have a problem with the line, you bleed it back through the check valve into the basin and have the basin pumped.

IF a section of that line goes to grade at some point, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some sort of fitting tied in for an inspection port at the point of gravity.

Furthermore, having a cleanout at a gravity section of the pipe allows you to pump the basin out yourself if you have to (god forbid) bleed the line through the check valve.

Again, cleanouts are not typically required on pressure lines, but I have seen Engineered (community owned) ejector systems where the AHJ required a cleanout every 100 feet. Under what instance you would use a cleanout on a line that has 20 feet of head against it, I don't know.
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You don't WANT a cleanout on your pressure line, especially inside of the house.


Under what instance you would use a cleanout on a line that has 20 feet of head against it, I don't know.
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OP, have you ever had solids in the sump?
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Im not sure why it was said that this is a pressure line...it is not.

My main sewage line has cleanouts every 10 feet....
My sink disposal has a cleanout....

Anywhere that may clog should have a cleanout in my book.

There has never been sewage/solids in this pipe....the roughed in plumbing has never been used,...just clear water from the humidifier thru the floor drain.

I have troubleshot the pump....it will pump to a 2' head, but not an 8' head....I hooked up another vertical pipe and it could ot pump to the height of the ceiling.

This is why a cleanout would have helped, I could have seen if there was a clog, however unlikely.

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The 2" pipe from the pump to the gravity line is considered a pressure line.
Glad you have resolved your pump problems

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I guess what was confusing was "that line will have sewage under pressure at all times.". While the vertical pipe will eventually have sewage sitting on the check valve above the ejector pump, the horizontal across the ceiling will not as it gravity drains into the 6" sewer pipe. I don't see the issue of having a cleanout on the horizontal like my other pipes do... The line from the kitchen disposal to the sewer, to the washing machine drain line all have cleanouts.
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You don't WANT a cleanout on your pressure line, especially inside of the house.




That line WILL have sewage under some pressure at all times. You do not want a cleanout on it. If you have a problem with the line, you bleed it back through the check valve into the basin and have the basin pumped.

IF a section of that line goes to grade at some point, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some sort of fitting tied in for an inspection port at the point of gravity.

Furthermore, having a cleanout at a gravity section of the pipe allows you to pump the basin out yourself if you have to (god forbid) bleed the line through the check valve.

Again, cleanouts are not typically required on pressure lines, but I have seen Engineered (community owned) ejector systems where the AHJ required a cleanout every 100 feet. Under what instance you would use a cleanout on a line that has 20 feet of head against it, I don't know.
Without a diagram of your system, it's hard to picture what it's doing. They don't typically let us run those lines inside of houses here.

Sorry to confuse you.
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there is not alot of head pressure on this system...everybody is right as to how they answered .... don't get confusing.... on lines where there is pressure opening up a clean out .........NOT A GOOD IDEA........... but we can't see the job....to say for sure where to install a clean out... ben

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