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Old 06-04-2013, 07:06 PM   #16
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Thanks E, Number 4 shows what people used to do, which is what my friend ran into. I guess the souix chief hammer arresters would work. As far as I know the only valves that close suddenly, as described for being the cause of hammer are dishwasher and clothes washer valves. I would think that unusually high water pressure could cause it too.
My ice maker thumps- who would think a plumber would have water hammer issues....
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:26 AM   #17
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I have been thinking of installing a Manabloc system for some time now. I am looking at a 30 port crimp manifold and will re-plumb my entire house. The delay is that I am waiting for the city who have planned to do some new water/sewer road work on my street which will happen within the next 3-4 months. I have worked out deal with the contractor to install a new 1" line from the street to the house. Once this happens I'll run a 1" line from the meter at the front of the house to the manifold. I'll order all supplies for Pex Supply and have it delivered to a UPS store in Buffalo and drive down and pick it up.
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It's a great system Jozabi. I installed mine about 8 months ago, replacing a failing galvanized and copper system, and the new PEX has been working perfectly.

Here is a pic of the install while in progress. All of the copper seen above was removed.


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Old 01-02-2014, 11:36 AM   #19
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Thanks for the follow up. Your system looks great. My budget to re-plumb my whole house is less than $2,000 US as I already have opened up a back wall right through to the second floor bathroom which runs right through the main floor kitchen. Everything else is available though the open ceiling in the basement. I can't wait to get started, I am just waiting on the city to start their road construction and get me my 1" service...
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:47 AM   #20
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I found your posts while researching pex manifolds. I've made one repair on my galvanized so I know I'm living on a time bomb, but wanted to make sure I do the best I can do on the manifold since this is the heart of the system.
So many plumbing parts are made in China-especially the plastics- it was a concern. Not to slam but I think the fittings or rings in the Zern lawsuit were China-made aluminum- which provides fuel for pex nay-sayers.
It came down to the Sioux Chief copper manifolds in series, or the Manabloc.
So how is the Manabloc holding up for you? Are the shutoffs stainless steel ball-type or other?
I've read where some reported leaks around the inlets over time, as well as the shutoff valves themselves- anything like that?
It does seem that Viega is the only company that is making the manifold with the full benefit of home run in mind- having combination 3/8 and 1/2 feed lines as an option.
Thanks in advance for your original posts and further updates.
(Also noticed some chat about installing pex up to the hot water tank- and believe this is fine for electric tanks but gas requires about 18" of metal to get
the pex 6-8 inches past the flu)
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I haven't installed the manifold as yet as I am waiting for the city to bring a 1" line to the meter. I'll post once have completed this project...
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Thanks, Jozabi. I wish I had planned ahead and done the outside first, too, but I do have to replace this galvanized time bomb- one section already failed so you know what that means.
I must have messed up the first part of my post as I was trying to get to Allthunbs since his system has been in for awhile.
Hitlines, yours looks good- are those the push on connections? Do the valves appear to be of sound quality?
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And this is better than copper how?
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ddawg16, who knows? Time might prove it to be inferior to copper. Time might also prove soldered joints without lead to be inferior. Both have been used about the same period of time- although copper by far has been used much more extensively. I like the idea of no joints between manifold and fixture, but still- not sure.
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And this is better than copper how?
A few reasons:

1. Many fewer joints. Potential for no elbows or tees. This means many fewer potential points of failure.

2. While there is a cost premium, it is much faster to install PEX than copper.

3. Ability to install new line, while still potentially challenging, is much easier than running copper in existing construction, and faster, because the PEX is flexible. Plus there is no need to turn off the water to any of the house while putting in something new.
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So how is the Manabloc holding up for you? Are the shutoffs stainless steel ball-type or other?
I've read where some reported leaks around the inlets over time, as well as the shutoff valves themselves- anything like that?
It does seem that Viega is the only company that is making the manifold with the full benefit of home run in mind- having combination 3/8 and 1/2 feed lines as an option.
Thanks in advance for your original posts and further updates.
(Also noticed some chat about installing pex up to the hot water tank- and believe this is fine for electric tanks but gas requires about 18" of metal to get the pex 6-8 inches past the flu)
My manifold has been installed for 8mo so far with zero leaks at any of the connections. Each line is a complete home run with one end connected to the bloc and the other with a crimp to a shutoff valve at the fixture. No additional 90s or Ts were used and most turns were gradual or supported with a 90 brace (see the black supports). This pic is before all of the lines were nailed down and properly supported at the bloc.




For the hot water heater you will want to use a pair of the 3/4" FIP x 3/4" FIP, 18" Corrugated Stainless Steel Tube:

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Why the corrugate stainless steel connection? I already have a tankless water heater which will be located within 4 feet of my manabloc manifold. Would you recommend that I find a 48" stainless steel connection?
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I have a quick question about this system. Can the incoming cold water supply be attached to the single port at the bottom instead of the top? I would assume so, but I can't find the installation manual for the Manabloc to confirm.

The only other thing holding me back from this system at the moment is the seeming lack of vendors and support here in Canada. The only place that I can find that sells Viega products is Amazon.ca and they don't have much of a selection in stock, which is worrisome and frustrating. For instance, I can buy a 24 port unit but can't buy the supply adapters because they are out of stock and no one else seems to carry them up here. Furthermore, I'd prefer an 18-port unit but that won't ship for 1-3 months. Argh.

If Viega is indeed restricting US vendors from shipping parts up here, I'm not totally sure I want to support the company. The only other alternative is to order from the US and use a forwarding service. It's quite frustrating.

<rant>I still don't understand why so many Canadian websites look like they're from the late 90s-era of website design - static, no search capabilities, no pricing or information on availability. Ugh.</rant>

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I have a quick question about this system. Can the incoming cold water supply be attached to the single port at the bottom instead of the top? I would assume so, but I can't find the installation manual for the Manabloc to confirm.
Ok, the cold water goes into the bottom. I put an extra shut-off valve at the bottom of the bloc just before the input. Then, at the top of the cold side (blue valves) I ran a 3/4" i.d. pex across to the input of the water heater. On the hot side, I ran a second 3/4" pex back to the hot side of the manabloc. Like this the cold and hot water are always balanced. I can have a shower and my wife puts on the dishwasher and I'm perfectly comfortable. I will notice a drop in flow but not a variation in temperature :-)

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The only other thing holding me back from this system at the moment is the seeming lack of vendors and support here in Canada. The only place that I can find that sells Viega products is Amazon.ca and they don't have much of a selection in stock, which is worrisome and frustrating. For instance, I can buy a 24 port unit but can't buy the supply adapters because they are out of stock and no one else seems to carry them up here. Furthermore, I'd prefer an 18-port unit but that won't ship for 1-3 months. Argh.
Absolutely. I have to point out that I purchased with the idea that I could get support from the U.S. vendor, overnight if necessary. It wasn't until sometime later that the Canadian distributor had a temper tantrum when he found out he couldn't buy a new yacht 5' longer than the old one.

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If Viega is indeed restricting US vendors from shipping parts up here, I'm not totally sure I want to support the company. The only other alternative is to order from the US and use a forwarding service. It's quite frustrating.
It's rather interesting. Viega is an European company with a manufacturing facility in the U.S. I wonder if we can purchase from vendors in England or France? Shipping might be a bit higher but the product shouldn't. After all the European market is 500 million people. That's a bigger market than the U.S.

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<rant>I still don't understand why so many Canadian websites look like they're from the late 90s-era of website design - static, no search capabilities, no pricing or information on availability. Ugh.</rant>
It's called lazyness and lack of research. You go on a web site and you get a banal imitation of what I was producing under HTML 1.0 (actually it didn't exist but you get the idea) back in 1990, that's before the internet was the internet. Nothing has changed since then in many vendors. The online vendors are the real joke. Very few are actually created by artists and even fewer are implemented by inventive programmers. I find very few web sites created for customers. Most are created to pad the programmer's pockets and do little to reflect the wishes and needs. I have a mantra "the shortest distance between the question and the answer" is the only path. I haven't seen it implemented on any site yet. Most are treating you as a captive client. The vendor has never realized that you can close a browser tab and shut down the transaction.

My rant too!

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I finished the install of my manifold and couldn't be more happy. The city ended up bringing in only a 3/4" line from the street. The install was easy. I used a home run style, no joints or t's, direct from the manifold to each outlet. My total cost was less than $1,000. I purchased the manifold from a US distributor and had it shipped to a UPS store in Buffalo where I picked it up while shopping. I purchased the pex and fittings at Home Depot/Lowes.

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