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Old 04-27-2013, 07:54 PM   #16
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For the simple reason there is a weep hole that allows it to drain into the soil. That same weep hole can suck up bad stuff also. We had them in the local fairgrounds. Folks got sick found out that bacteria from the barns was entering the drinking water through those type of yard hydrants. I. P. C. now requires you use a testable back flow where it ties into the drinking water and post a sign on the hydrant not safe to drink. Modern hydrants must meet ASSE 1057 standards and do not have a drain hole. Those are called safe hydrants, The water is drained into a tank never the earth below.
That is a different story. Of course any smart person is not going to drink from a hydrant where there is livestock. Even on farms you never see farmers drinking from them. That is why they have always carried a canteen or other jug of water supply.

As for the weep hole sucking up any bad stuff, that is called a vacuum effect, that would cause that. That is why most new ones have a vacuum breaker in them, so that stuff does not get sucked back up the weep holes.

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That is a different story. Of course any smart person is not going to drink from a hydrant where there is livestock. Even on farms you never see farmers drinking from them. That is why they have always carried a canteen or other jug of water supply.

As for the weep hole sucking up any bad stuff, that is called a vacuum effect, that would cause that. That is why most new ones have a vacuum breaker in them, so that stuff does not get sucked back up the weep holes.
Your talking about the hose vacuum breaker. All that does is prevent stuff from entering through your hose. The weep hole is under ground and it does not protect that. I do not make it a habit to eat or drink dirt.. Dirt may contain many typed of bacteria or parasites that may cause harm.
So if your good with letting your young ones drink from unsafe sources have a blast. As an inspector of plumbing my job does not allow that option.

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I can see the point about the weep hole and the water being sucked up standing in the ground around the weep hole. Live stock waste draining into and around the weep hole.
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Your talking about the hose vacuum breaker. All that does is prevent stuff from entering through your hose. The weep hole is under ground and it does not protect that. I do not make it a habit to eat or drink dirt.. Dirt may contain many typed of bacteria or parasites that may cause harm.
So if your good with letting your young ones drink from unsafe sources have a blast. As an inspector of plumbing my job does not allow that option.
Any of us that have grown up on farms, or stayed on family owned farms during the Summer, and washed up, took a drink out of the hydrant in the middle of the cow pasture, or even out in the common area between the house and sheds, we are still around.

There is actually more bacteria on that keyboard that you are typing on, than what comes out of the hydrant. Also keep in mind, that anything you touch or eat, has both good and bad bacteria on it.

If bacteria was so bad for the mammal species, we would have been wiped off the planet a long time ago.

Again, those of us that have grown up around yard hydrants knew the consequences about them, or even if we used pumps out of wells or cisterns, we learned real quick if it was good or bad.

As mentioned before, if you grew up on a farm, you always carried a canteen or jug of water with you, to drink out of, and used the hydrant or pump to clean up or cool down during a warm day.

Remember, your body will adapt over time to the environment it is in, and those who grew up on farms, their bodies probably have absorbed more bad things, than good, and those of us that have lived in the cities or densely populated areas, deal more with stuff like CO emissions and other environment things, that those out in the country do not have to deal with.

Also to add, our parents and grandparents that grew up during the Nuclear bomb testings, and those of us that have been around since Chernobyl & the Japan Nuclear emissions release, have also absorbed those elements. Those in the Southwest during the 40's & 50's actually absorbed more than those elsewhere in higher amounts, but they are still around.
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Also back in the day we did not have flesh eating bacteria. Amazing how a small cut ends up losing a limb.
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Also back in the day we did not have flesh eating bacteria. Amazing how a small cut ends up losing a limb.
We did, it is just that we knew how to use home remedies and did not have all of these antibiotics that removed the good bacteria out of our systems. Nor did we have all of these chemicals in our foods.

If you look at how people lived back in the late 19th Century & early 20th, yes their life expectancy may have been less than it is now, but they mostly ate homegrown organic vegetables with some cow manure in the soil, but also did not eat a lot of meat, so mostly were vegans at the most.
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I mentioned to my brother just the other day, I am amazed we survived childhood.
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I mentioned to my brother just the other day, I am amazed we survived childhood.
Same here. I remember playing around near the electric fence at my cousin's friend's family farm, and we were having a sword fight with pieces of Sawgrass, it was still wet from the morning dew.

You really do find out very quick that electric fences and moist Sawgrass do not mix, and gives you a quick lesson to not do it again.

That with climbing trees, jumping off the front porch roof, going sledding down the hill back in our woods, with trees on one side, and a fallen tree on the other, trying to not hit the trees, or the giant log at the bottom in the gully.

Worst thing I can ever remember, is going riding through a meadow of "Itch weed" back in our woods. Never thought that it could cover an acre and thought riding through the deer path would be no problem. Never did that again. Thank god for Lye soap.

For those who do not know what Itch Weed is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itch_weed
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[QUOTE=TheEplumber;1168010]Yep, a yard hydrant. Pull the handle up and wait a couple seconds for the flow.

HOORAY! I experimented with this just like you said. I pulled the handle straight up and, wala, water started flowing. To shut it off, turn it down in the original position.
Now, will the water still come out with the electrical off?

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It's a good feeling when things work out well. Congratulations on being (well) on your way to being a well expert.

There has been quite a discussion on drinking from a frost proof / freeze proof hydrant and we can see common sense and a little education with these systems must prevail to do it safely. I've lived with these for many years and drank from them all without problems. That first water emitted from those that haven't been used for awhile wouldn't be very good to drink in my opinion. First, if it doesn't have harmful bacteria it is very possible it was stagnated and smells bad.

No, being your well pump is electric you won't have water supply there after the pressure drops to near zero. For that hydrant to be freeze/frost proof the water must drain out the weep under ground and I can tell you how to do a simple test for that function if you are interested.

Below is some good information on maintaining safe drinking water from a well.



http://www.waterandhealth.org/newsle...ate_wells.html
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Those are common where i live for farmers. Pull the lever water comes. Rural not city.
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First, let me tell you with all seriousness..... YOU"RE FUNNY!

When I grew up I remember the siphon pumps you had to prime to get water. I was hoping it was like that.

I have a great fear of living in the country and being without water. What's the use of having well water if you can't get it out of the ground? I just purchased a generator but use of that is limited.

When I raised the handle and the water came out, it was rusty looking so naturally I wouldn't drink it. But I could use it for watering the garden.

Thanks for the link. I will check it out.

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The rust would be due to sitting in the piping, which is most likely galvanized, and near its end. I would probably look at installing a new hydrant & piping back to the pump, and also maybe look at a new pump, if you do not know how long all has been there.

If you let the water run for a while, it should clear itself out and come out clean.

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