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Old 09-25-2006, 07:11 PM   #46
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Are you positive?
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I can't believe that Ron is able to keep his composure.

A plumber who normally bills out at healthy rate has repeatedly given professional advice that was given the same merit as the average man on the street. Unbelievable.

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Old 09-26-2006, 01:08 AM   #47
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Just moved in....I found some particles in the tank that resemble pieces of brick...the flapper was also falling apart in bits.
The toilet only flushes when it wants to....

I think the rim is clogged....like moving particles and this may explain why every once in a while it manages to flush. It was made in 79 and i am just pretty convinced the rim has got something in it.

How do I get it out?

Moving is more of an option that taking the toilet out.

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I've tried to stay out of this, but in an attempt to help Ron out here, I'm gonna ask a few questions.

You say, "The toilet only flushes when it wants to", what do you mean by this?

If you stand there and flush it 10 times in a row, allowing it to completely refill and shut off between flushes, do you mean that it will not evacuate the bowl for most or all of those flushes?

Look below the water line at the very bottom of the inside of the bowl. Is there a hole down there, close to the front?

If the rim is blocked with pieces of brick, you're not going to get them out without getting drastic, and perhaps not even then. You can try to fiddle with the holes and wire and what not, but the rim is built sorta like a hula hoop with holes in the bottom. If you stick something in to break it up, it just moves away from the hole you're poking around in.

I see that the bowl will flush with water from a bucket. This is a good test of the pipes below for blockage and for obstructions in the trapway. This tells Ron and others, that there is a problem with how fast the water is able to get from the tank to the bowl.

Its the weight of the water or a siphon inducing jet of water blowing up the trapway that starts the flush (hence the reason I had you look for the hole in the bottom of the inside of the bowl).

Once started, it will not stop until it breaks that siphon by 'burping' or 'gurgling'. That is when the water refills the bowl. A blocked rim can cause this problem if all the water or the majority of the water used for the flush comes through the rim.

If the owner doesn't want to replace the WC, and you don't want to replace the WC, and no one wants to call a plumber out to fix or replace the WC, my best advice is flush it with a bucket.

Old disintegrated brick caught in rim = cheaper to replace the WC than spend any more time messing with it.
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Old 09-26-2006, 04:16 AM   #48
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If the tank is in good shape then you could just have the owner replace the bowl. An inexpensive bowl should be around $30 - $50.

I suggested using the garden hose to flush out the brick inside the rim.
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Old 09-26-2006, 07:37 AM   #49
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To check the hole in the bottom of the toilet, put fingers down near the this hole and flush the toilet, if you feel a good strong flow of water comming through it, then this will tell you that hole is clear of debrie.
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To check the hole in the bottom of the toilet, put fingers down near the this hole and flush the toilet, if you feel a good strong flow of water comming through it, then this will tell you that hole is clear of debrie.
Yes and no. You will feel an even stronger flow of water if a piece of brick is blocking part of that hole. Think thumb on end of garden hose.

We're looking for volume, not so much pressure.

As for replacing the bowl, just where are you going to buy a 27 year old bowl?
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As for replacing the bowl, just where are you going to buy a 27 year old bowl?
Most bowls should have standard configurations for replacement. The poster was looking for an inexpensive repair.

I recommended replacing the whole toilet but the owner of this house is on a limited budget.

If the toilet seat of a 27 year old toilet needed to be replaced then would you just replace the seat or buy a whole new toilet?

If the fill valve of the 27 year old toilet needed to be replaced then would you just replace the fill valve or replace the whole toilet?
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Most bowls should have standard configurations for replacement.
That's what you'd think. Many do. Many don't.
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Most bowls should have standard configurations for replacement.
Should, but, they don't. Simple as that.

Two small holes and one big one doesn't a match make. There is more to it than that. Just look on Plumbingsupply.com. They sell 12 different tank to bowl gaskets. The Gerber and Eljer are at opposite ends of the spectrum in size and they are in no way interchangeable, but they were super popular in 1979. Thousands of them were installed in homes.

I wish it were that simple, but its not, sorry.
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I had the same problem. Just a month ago! I replaced all the dingys on the inside, and for what it all cost to replace this, then that, I finally went to Menard's and bought a cheap Eljer "PATRIOT" throne! Now, this sucker came with everything 'cept the wax ring, which is cheeeep...all for 58 bucks! A fill valve cost me half that in my home town!

Theres a hand nut for the supply line, two nuts for the mechanical part..Remove these after shutting off water, and scoopiing out bowl, and pull old out and throw away. Clean off flange of old wax, put new wax ring on, and install new closet bolts while you're at it(It's easier - and they're cheap). Plop new toilet onto gasket wax ring, sit on it (Not to use, yet, but for weight - to compress wax)tighten bolts (nuts), hook up water supply, turn on water and Enjoy!

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