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Old 09-10-2006, 09:59 PM   #16
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Are you renting the house?
If so, then let the owner repair it.

From what you have described, it sounds like you have smaller paticles that are "floating" inside the rim but are too large to flow thru the rim.

Is this a 1.6 gallon toilet?

the wax ring is what "seals" the toilet to the the drain line. It is between the bottom of the toilet and the floor (or drain flange).
that may be feasable to get the owner to repair it later but not right now.
They just got done repairing the refrigerator. It's just been one thing after another.

This place is rather old...the toilet is from 79, is a Gerber and I do believe is a 1.6....but I am not certain because it doesn't say it anywhere. I am just guessing that it is a typical economy 1.6 for it's brand and year. I believe they were making the 1.6 ultraflush toilets...perhaps this is one. Just a guess.

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Old 09-10-2006, 10:07 PM   #17
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First turn off the water to the toilet. Then remove the water line going just below the toilet tank. Then remove the tank from the bowl. Then loosen up bowl from the two bolts to the floor. Then tilt the bowl up so that the the "particles" may fall back out. Be careful not to crack either item.

hmmm...sounds intriguing but I would probably break it but I will keep that in mind.
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Old 09-10-2006, 10:09 PM   #18
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Or



Insert a garden hose into passage way just below the flapper.
Turn the water on to the garden hose and it may or may not dislodge the particles and push them past the rim.

(don't flood the bathroom)

oh my...this one sounds very interesting.
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Old 09-10-2006, 10:22 PM   #19
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Take an allen key set, use a small size key, push it into the holes under the rim of the toilet, move it in a circular motion, thus will open the holes up, flush the toilet often, soon it will start to flush good.
This is what I was doing with the coat hanger and I could get the hanger into every hole except one and I'm not sure if that one was clogged or if I just wasn't angling it in right. It didn't seem to do anything.....although it did flush on it's own once last night and again today but the other times the water just goes around the bowl.....slow too.

Ok...I'll look for the fluidmaster thing but tell me one thing.

How many seconds should take for the flapper on a typical late seventies 1.6 to reseat after the flush. Tell me that.....somebody time their toilet.

If it takes too long, it's above the bowl and not the trap, correct?
I'm being cinchy. I don't want to by the valve if the toilet is coming out and if the trap is messing up and if the toilet comes out, it may be best to replace the whole thing while the plumber is here before everthing else starts going wrong.
It's missing the tank lid and if I find the right size and shape it may be as much as half the price of a new cheap toilet...or more.
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How many seconds should take for the flapper on a typical late seventies 1.6 to reseat after the flush. Tell me that.....somebody time their toilet.

Usually after the water level falls below the flapper then the flapper may close a few seconds after that. If you feel the flapper is not staying open long enough then just hold the flush lever down for the length of time you feel is necessary for a full flush. If you hold the flush lever down for a few minutes and it still does not complete a full flush then it appears you may have items inside the rim as you have stated prior.



If it takes too long, it's above the bowl and not the trap, correct?
I'm being cinchy.

Does the level of the water rise up near the rim when you flush it?

If the level of the water stays near half then you usually do not have a blockage in the trap. Any restriction in the trap will slow down the water flow out of the bowl.

"If it takes too long" --- do you mean if the flapper takes to long to close?
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Check blow hole in bottom of toilet, it could be blocked, this will cause this very problem.
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Melanie,
Here is another little thing I try. Instead of the coat hanger find an old set or even broken drill twist bits of about the right size the sharp edges of it when you twirl it with your fingers ,around inside the holes cuts better than the smooth coat hanger wire.

I think you probably should stick with the duct tape and vinegar rather than the muratic acid. That acid is MORE than nasty stuff. It is alot like lime away on 'steroids' and is used for cleaning bricks when laying new ones, takes the mortar off, thats how strong it is. The fumes are killers.

You do know the holes under the rim are all slanted one way around the whole bowl??To make the water swirl and flush??

If you are looking for a new lid take a pattern on cardboard, like the inside of a opened up cereal box, draw around it and check with any salvage shops, plumbing shops, and draw around the problem of being a poor little gal that needs just a 'little' bit of help, bat eyelids twice and they will help if they have one.

OR just cut a board the right shape and length and tack a little molding around it to keep it on!! White plastic would be easiest to dust. put a towel over it, a pretty one!! No body would know the diffrence.

Sounds like you 'may' have old iron pipes with alot of rust in your building. If so could be a constant problem If it is bad enough you may have to stick a sediment filter before the fill pipe after iron pipe and before you use plastic supply lines, preferably in a basement or the like. Whats under the floor of the stool is setting on?? If no room for a small filter attach it to the wall under and in back of the throne. Good shut off 1/4 turn valve and you are good to go. IF rusty pipes you may need a sediment filter before your sink faucet too to keep grit out of strainer AND faucet shutoffs cartrigages, (lasts longer)


Good luck, let us know how you end up with this project!! Congrads on tackling this yourself!! HTH --d--
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ok...I'm back....this is going to be a hodge podge to all. Excuse me if I forget a question.

I found a tank lid.
I put in a new inlet valve and flapper...which initially did not help untill I turned the water level up. It will now flush but it's not what I call a good flush and will probably fail at the slightest bit of too much paper. The water level is up higher than it's supposed to be...like an eighth to a quarter under the pipe. I can live with it for now but I don't like the fact that I know I know I didn't solve the problem. I tried the vinegar. I used duct tape but the holes wouldn't stay closed with the weight of the vinegar trying to come out...which was only a quarter of a gallon at a time...that and the nature of vinegar which I believe will penetrate the adhasive on the tape faster than water and make it come loose...just something I thought of. Perhaps I could try different tape but...I just don't know now if that's the problem.
I'm think it's under the bowl now....perhaps someone could elaborate on the possibilities.

I know it needs weight...more water to open it up so how many things could that be?...and, most importantly is there any way to at least help the problem without taking the toilet out because I'm hesitant to do that. I'm just trying to do all I can before a plumber is called because these people don't have a lot of money and today I came to the realization that we may need to call an AC tech. Lovely...now the toilet problem seems like no big deal. If somebody gets called it will be for the AC first.

When I say how long should it take, I mean from the second I push the handle to the second it gurgles and is done with the flush because I'm thinking if it's too long....the water is just not coming out fast enough because I really have no idea if anything is in the rim or not, but if the water is coming out fast enough into the bowl then it just has to be under the bowl. I'm just trying to rule out the rim because I can't know for sure what inside of it without taking the toilet out.
As for the water level in the bowl...it might get over half, but not much....it looks pretty "full"....I mean, not a full bowl but just a good amount of water but it doesn't look like it's going to overflow. It doesn't even cross the mind, it still has some inches before that but it just doesn't want to go down.
So.....if the water level is not going up high, then at least "some" water is leaving the bowl during the flush? Does that sound right?....it definitely swirls and I did note the slant on the holes. There is now only one I can't get the hanger in.

I just think it's something else now and can't imagine what.
Can the trap be reluctant to open and perhaps open a little to let a small amount out and open when there is enough water coming in but still be defective?...or is it likely some other part under the bowl? I think I need to look at another diagram.

This is an old apartment building and I'm on the ground floor so I imagine it's all in concrete to the dirt and I haven't a clue as to what the pipes are made of but I do believe this was built in 79 and this is the original toilet but to give you an idea of quality features and funding for maintainance....it's also the original burnt orange carpet if that tells you anything.

it will flush now, but there is just enough water in the tank which is about an inch above the water line and it's barely enough to tip the scale, I think and that is why it is flushing. If I put it at the right level, it's back to the original problem.
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As for rust, I have noticed a little rust and noted hard water but I've seen worse. I do believe there is some build up in the rim but now I just question whether it's enough to do this. I was thinking that someone had put an actual brick in there because it appeared like small pieces of brick in the tank....which is still very possible...I don't know.
Maybe it's a combination problem? Maybe it's just time to replace it....however, I doubt very much that this will happen. They'll be buying a window unti before they buy a new toilet. That I am pretty sure of.
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Is this a 1.6 gallon tank?

If so, then get a bucket that will hold that amount and pour the water from the bucket into the toilet bowl. Does the water drain better?
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Is this a 1.6 gallon tank?

If so, then get a bucket that will hold that amount and pour the water from the bucket into the toilet bowl. Does the water drain better?

without touching the handle?....I don't know. I predict it will flush...just a guess. Right now I don't have a 1.6 gallon bucket.
let me look around.
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Yes - do not touch the handle. Just pour the water into the toilet bowl and see how the water drains. If it appears to drain normal then the trap is not plugged or restricted. If the water just swirls or drains very slow then there is a blockage in the trap.

I am trying to determine of the problem is the tank or the bowl or it may even be a blocked drain further down past the toilet and the toilet may not be the problem.

(process of elimination )

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Yes - do not touch the handle. Just pour the water into the toilet bowl and see how the water drains. If it appears to drain normal then the trap is not plugged or restricted. If the water just swirls or drains very slow then there is a blockage in the trap.

I am trying to determine of the problem is the tank or the bowl or it may even be a blocked drain further down past the toilet and the toilet may not be the problem.

(process of elimination )
It flushed but I didn't exactly pour it slow. I poured it pretty steady within a few seconds...should I have poured it slower?
That's why I wondering about flush time...it's the same amount of water, just not fast enough to open it up for one reason or another.
AAAHHH!

I'm going to try it real slow.
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I poured it slow and steady with no flush...however, there was only a little water in the bowl from not having the fill tube doing it's job because of the way I just flushed it.

Crap....I'm going to have to do this again, arent I?
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A steady but not fast pour of 1.6 gallons produced no flush...although it would be hard for me to compare the time it took to pour it to a flush. It was a wide steady stream...at least as much as two jugs pouring at once if not more.....no flush.

It needs more weight....and faster.

That has to be the trap, right?

It is simply reluctant to open and simply needs more.

what is it made of?.....is it rustable?

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