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Old 11-29-2013, 01:24 AM   #1
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Hi, all

Happy thanksgiving!


It sees like an odd time to ask a plumbing question at thanksgiving night, but the situation is that my husband has removed a rusted stopper on our bathtub drain, only to find out that from the drain hole he saw the drain shoe (the elbow shape thing that connects the stopper to the drain pipe?) had come completely off. He was surprised that it came off so easily because he was sure all he did was turning the stopper to take it off, no brutal force at all. Now he has put the drain shoe back to its position (just push it back to connect to the drain pipe) and installed a new stopper with new gasket and putty. However, both he and I are not sure we did it the right way because the connection is so loose it does not feel right.

My question is, is the drain shoe supposed to connect to the pipe this way? By the way, our house was build in 87.

Thanks in advance for any input. We are just afraid that if we did it wrong, water will be oozing from the floor next time we drain our bath tub.


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Old 11-29-2013, 06:50 AM   #2
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Do you have easy access to the drain assembly from below? Or an access panel behind the tub?

That doesn't sound like a proper installation==Mike===

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Old 11-29-2013, 07:15 AM   #3
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Going to have to find out why.
Yes, this is going to leak if it's not address.
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Old 11-29-2013, 07:32 AM   #4
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picture is needed to see what you have...sounds like you may be missing a gasket around the connections...but its only a guess...ben sr
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Old 11-29-2013, 07:34 AM   #5
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:34 AM   #6
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Oh so it is going to leak! The bathtub is sitting on the ground, not possible to access from below. And there is a wall between the tub and the shower booth, so basically we cannot access it from the side without removing the tiles.

My husband was able to manipulate the disconnected drain shoe from the drain hole and saw that it was threaded on one side ( to the stopper) and unthreaded on the other side (to the drain pipe). We cannot see what is going on under the tub except the little area we can see through the drain hole. He was even thinking of renting an inspection camera.

Is it ok to just put a layer of sealer, putty, or whatever seals or sticks on the unthreaded side of the shoe and put it back on to prevent leaking? That is all we can think of. We have not done so, because if we do it and it is not right, there is no way to undo it due to limited space to operate.
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:39 AM   #7
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Thanks for the picture Joe. Looks like there is a slip nut in between the drain shoe and the pipe? It came off? No way to see or feel it.
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Could be lots of things, dissimilar materials used and it corroded away, was never tightened up in the first place, rubber sealing ring rotted out, locking nut rusted off, old steel pipe rusted out ECT.
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Old 11-29-2013, 07:49 PM   #9
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Thanks for all your help. Here is the follow up. We went to a local plumbing supply and the staff help us out. It turns out that we do need to glue the elbow back to the PVC drain pipe with plumbing cement , the slow settling kind for us, of cause. We got everything we need and going to do to tomorrow . Fingers crossed.
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You may have a can of worms brewing not sure that's gonna work for you, if it was originally glued,,built in 87 ???? re-gluing a pvc joint is a problem and if it leaks chances are you wont see it until its to late. if its brass or PVC it needs to be reassembled correctly and tested water leaks under tubs can cause lots of damage before its detected.
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If there's no access how are you going to put it back together?
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Now you have us doubt it again . We knew it is going to be a very tricky fix because the shoe has to be positioned just right at both ends so that there will be no leak AND the stopper can be screwed in, AND there is a time window of the cement ....

I will load some pictures up later on.
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any ideas? we decided to postpone it. if we glue it there is no coming back.

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