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Old 05-05-2013, 02:03 AM   #16
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There's no soil, just concrete. And I'm not about to start busting up my drive way to find this exhaust, assuming there is one.
Well, guess what. You either have a choice to bust up some concrete, or redo the exhaust properly, or go with a power vent unit, that can be placed so that it exits either up through the house through the roof, or up out the side of the house, high enough that if you live in the snow belt, the exhaust will not get covered, or that it is so low, that critters can easily crawl in there, or it is possible to get clogged with debris from the mower.

Still need those pictures of the outside, where that exhaust is supposedly located.

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To add to your problems....the PRV is plumbed wrong

Personally....I would pull the vent off the wall and look through the hole to see what is on the other side.
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To add to your problems....the PRV is plumbed wrong

Personally....I would pull the vent off the wall and look through the hole to see what is on the other side.

I enjoyed the pics. Beautiful job on the garage and house. No one has mentioned anything wrong with my PRV before now. What do you see wrong with it?
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It needs to go outside or into a drain....I don't think you can have it just venting right there. The issue is that if it does vent, a person could get scalded with hot water.
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Just a suggestion, it maybe cheaper and easier to run a new exhaust properly and just cap the old exhaust off and be done with it.
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"Which brings me back to my original question. Is this installation acceptable?"

Its pretty obvious that you are not getting what the responders here are saying, so maybe the gas is getting to you. How in gods earth can anyone answer this question without knowing where your stack leads? I don't like the way the flue runs horizontal with no apparent slope upward. You ought to just replace the heater with a power vent model and use PVC to vent it.
Your heater looks like it has a lot of miles on it.

There are a lot of things wrong in your picture.

1. Unsupported pipes. (Gas Pipe too. That's really smart, putting all the weight on a threaded connection)
2. Flue not sloped.
3. No cold in valve.
4. Painted copper (Dumb, what it you have to repair it.)
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Thanks for your advice. One installer did check for CO2 and said it was reading slightly higher than normal. Both installers suggested, as you did, not to run the water heater.

Which brings me back to my original question. Is this installation acceptable? Judging from most reactions here, it's sounding very risky. And the fumes haven't got to me poor little head yet, I've just never had to deal with anything like this before. Thanks for the cam advice, that sounds like a good idea.
"Slightly higher than normal"? Normal levels of CO would be zero, barring heavy smoking or a high vehicle traffic location. Any reading above zero where the CO is coming from a gas burning appliance is unacceptable, and the water heater should have been shut off and red tagged. This installation IS unacceptable. Call your gas company to check it out.
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Just a suggestion, it maybe cheaper and easier to run a new exhaust properly and just cap the old exhaust off and be done with it.

You read my mind jmon. That is just what I intend on doing. Seal the old vent, create a new duct with a power vent, new water heater and reroute some piping issues. Done! After reading all these posts I learned a lot from you all. Thanks to all for taking your time to respond.

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"Which brings me back to my original question. Is this installation acceptable?"

Its pretty obvious that you are not getting what the responders here are saying, so maybe the gas is getting to you. How in gods earth can anyone answer this question without knowing where your stack leads? I don't like the way the flue runs horizontal with no apparent slope upward. You ought to just replace the heater with a power vent model and use PVC to vent it.
Your heater looks like it has a lot of miles on it.

There are a lot of things wrong in your picture.

1. Unsupported pipes. (Gas Pipe too. That's really smart, putting all the weight on a threaded connection)
2. Flue not sloped.
3. No cold in valve.
4. Painted copper (Dumb, what it you have to repair it.)
Agreed! We just bought this house and had a lot of questions too about how all this was rigged. Thanks for the safety tips.
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The other question is, how much other jerry rigged stuff did the old homeowner or previous homeowner do to this place. We got lucky with our house, and purchased it from the original homeowner that had lived in it, since the day her husband built it, and the two next to our home. Did not have too much to fix, but big ones were electrical issues, such as jerry rigged wiring out of a junction box for the medicine cabinet in the bath, which we did not find, until we started to gut it. 12/2 NM running underground from the house to the garage.

Other than that, just typical maintenance like roof replacement, replace a back door, install new screen doors. Houses can either make or break a marriage, and the pocketbook, so you have to look at the old joke of how do you eat a Elephant? The answer is one bite at a time.
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The other question is, how much other jerry rigged stuff did the old homeowner or previous homeowner do to this place. We got lucky with our house, and purchased it from the original homeowner that had lived in it, since the day her husband built it, and the two next to our home. Did not have too much to fix, but big ones were electrical issues, such as jerry rigged wiring out of a junction box for the medicine cabinet in the bath, which we did not find, until we started to gut it. 12/2 NM running underground from the house to the garage.

Other than that, just typical maintenance like roof replacement, replace a back door, install new screen doors. Houses can either make or break a marriage, and the pocketbook, so you have to look at the old joke of how do you eat a Elephant? The answer is one bite at a time.

LOL Well said. Since buying this house a couple of months ago, we're finding all kinds of things our inspector missed. Just moved from Houston to the Detroit area and I've only been in a few houses in my life that ever had a basemement. There is a lot to these basements as my wife and I are finding out. I had no idea what I was getting into when we bought this house.
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LOL Well said. Since buying this house a couple of months ago, we're finding all kinds of things our inspector missed. Just moved from Houston to the Detroit area and I've only been in a few houses in my life that ever had a basement. There is a lot to these basements as my wife and I are finding out. I had no idea what I was getting into when we bought this house.
Not much to a basement, other than for most it is a storage area, laundry for most, and mechanicals (ie hvac & water heater). It is when people do stupid stuff and it is not caught, until the homeowner has to fix or do something, then you just have to deal with it.

I am surprised since if this is in Detroit, that you have not had the local inspector in there for a COA (Certificate of Occupancy).
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Not much to a basement, other than for most it is a storage area, laundry for most, and mechanicals (ie hvac & water heater). It is when people do stupid stuff and it is not caught, until the homeowner has to fix or do something, then you just have to deal with it.

I am surprised since if this is in Detroit, that you have not had the local inspector in there for a COA (Certificate of Occupancy).
Not to get off topic but this basememnt has water, insulation, chimney flue and sump drain issues, not to mention the water heater vent that started this thread.

I'm not sure what good a Certificate of Occupancy will do at this point, the house has been bought and sold several times in the last seven years. According to an attorney I spoke to, we would have to prove who put the jerry rigging in place then show that our previous owner knew about it then intentionaly with held that info from us. The owners prior to us did a lot of work to this house and did so without pulling permits. Thus there's no record of anything in our township here except who the previous owners were. I even got ballsy enough to call one of them. I'll give you a hint what they told me......hogan's heroes shultz "I know nothing"!

Lesson learned - choose your real estate agent and inspector wisely. Unforunately, we did not and they let us down BIG TIME.
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Is it possible that the chimney is installed in the cinderblock void and trasitions to SCH 40 somewhere along the way, and you are not seeing a "chimney", but perhaps some other sort of roof penetration?


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Is it possible that the chimney is installed in the cinderblock void and trasitions to SCH 40 somewhere along the way, and you are not seeing a "chimney", but perhaps some other sort of roof penetration?


I hadn't considered that. I do know for certain it's not going thru the roof though. Only thing going thru the roof that I can see is our cost.

Thanks, Steve

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