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Old 08-25-2009, 09:06 PM   #1
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Any lubricant available to help with bushing?


I was able to fit the bushing into a cast iron pipe. Then I tried to fit the 4" pvc pipe into it and was unsuccessful. No matter what I tried I could not do it. Is there anything that can help in this situation?

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Old 08-25-2009, 09:14 PM   #2
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pvc to cast iron hub using fernco-can't get it!


I use faucet grease or KY jelly

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I'll try dish soap and see what happens. Then I'll try tapering the end. I'll be back in a little while, I hope!
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:27 PM   #4
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Well, almost an hour later and could not get the pipe in.

I used the soap and it was no help. I then tapered the ends and I thought that would do the trick but it did absolutely nothing. I might be hitting it in to delicately. Im afraid that if I hit the pvc pipe in too hard I might crack the cast iron.

Also, Im not sure if I am using the same thing as in the link that was provided above. I purchased a 4" bushing that goes inside of the cast iron. It has a lip around it that matches up with the bell of the cast iron pipe. The rubber is very thick and that is what is making it hard to get the pipe in. If I take the bushing out the pipe will go in without a problem. But once I put the bushing in it tightens up and the pvc does not go in.

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Swing Batter Batter Swing.....


One time we had to use a 5 lb sledge hammer.

Unless you miss and hit the hub or the hub is rusted out I don't think you are going to break it. Heck if you do, get a carbon blade for a sawall and cut the hub and use a 4" fernco.

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The house was built in 27 so the pipes are a bit old. I will try tomorrow and see if I have any luck. Thanks for the help. I'll post my results.

By the way, would it help to use a 3" to 4" coupling? I just remembered that a coupling of that size already comes tapered. Maybe it will help since it will be smoother than mine.
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Not sure what you are saying 3-4 coupling.

4-3 bushing or 4-3 bell reducer...I don't think so.
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You've got to taper the end to the point that you can just about cut yourself on it. After that LIBERALLY apply a lubricant. I like to use what we commonly refer to as "duck butter". This is a pipe joint lubricant available and any plumbing supply house. You can usually get the pipe to seat by pushing in with a twisting motion. If not, then a block of wood and a 4lb hammer is in order.
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What's the real name of Duck Butter? Never heard of it?
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Its a brand name. Its just "pipe joint lubricant". We use it alot for hubbed and gasketed SDR35 pipe.

Something else that you might be able to try.....if you can get leverage with a shovel, spud bar, etc on the other end of the pipe, see if you can pop the pipe in with that. Thats a common thing we do, but usually underground where we can get a good bite on the tool and pipe.
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I will try tapering it further and see if that works. One of the problems that I am having is the location of the pipe. Its almost directly next to a wall so it is hard to get a good angle to hit the pipe in.

Im not familiar with all of the names and technical stuff so bare with me. What I was talking about was using a reducer, I think, that would go into the gasket first and then allow you to tap in the rest of it because it already comes tapered. But I guess the angle is not sufficient.

Anyway, Im on babysitting duty until my wife gets back. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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I got it!!! I was about to give up this morning after trying repeatedly to get the 4" pipe in until I was able to make some progress. I ended up tapering the edge about an inch and a quarter down the pipe. I then banged away with a hammer until I just about gave up. Finally, I said to myself f$%k it. If the cast iron breaks, it breaks. I hit it with a very careless swing (almost as if to break it on purpose) and the mark I made on the side moved downwards. Another hard hit and it moved further in. After 3 more very hard hits the pipe went in all the way to the base inside of the cast iron bell.

Thanks for all of the help.
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