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Old 10-04-2010, 04:55 PM   #16
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Cool I'll go for the Cyonara and see how it is. The spider problem has grown very rapidly, don't think I've seen it this bad since the first time I cleaned the whole house when I bought it. If I could see the spiders at least I could kill them, but I only see the webs they make, which is actually what my phobia is, as opposed to the spiders themselves.

So once dry these products should not really be a big risk to animals then?

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Old 10-04-2010, 05:06 PM   #17
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Exposure is considerably less when dry. Exposure and toxicity to mammals is minimal anyway. Keep it away from reptile and bird environments; honeybees also (blossoming trees, flowers). Aquatic life is very susceptible to harm.

When the material dries, it will leave a residual that will eventually kill insects that walk through it. As the residual ages, the length of time to kill will take longer. Also, things like bright sunlight (uv rays), much rainfall will break down the residual, although lambdacyhalothrin will still last longer than anything else. Also, in areas of high dust, usually industrial areas, the dust will cover the residual.

Treat into cracks and crevices and voids spaces where you find the webs. Use ladders, stools, but safely. Read the label; you will learn as you work, too.
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Old 10-04-2010, 05:15 PM   #18
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Thanks for the tips, I'll order from that site and hope for the best. Guess with the frost, the spiders are just deciding that my basement makes a nice apartment to hang out, literally.
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Old 10-04-2010, 05:24 PM   #19
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If basement is unfinished and you have exposed wooden joists, spray a high and low perimeter treatment. Low perimeter=junction of wall and floor.
High perimeter=junction of wall and floor joists. If webbing is bad, you can also spray along the length of the joists, just do so lightly so as to minimize dripping, of which some will be inevitable. Carry a cotton rag with you. The material will work; be patient; if results are not desirable, then re-look and re-think how you are approaching the problem.

In finished areas you can spray lightly under furniture, under/behind appliances, carefully into cracks and crevices behind baseboards. You will learn much from your results (or lack of). Good luck to you.
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Old 10-04-2010, 05:42 PM   #20
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I just bough an 8 ounce Cyonara bottle off ebay (new according to seller) and it came up to about $47 which is not too bad considering it's coming from the states. That will probably last for many applications but I'll see what the mixing instructions are.

The basement is indeed unfinished so I will probably spray the whole walls and do the joists lightly as well. I have a cat but she stays upstairs (there's a door to get to the basement, I don't let her down there) so I should be fine.

I also have a crawlspace which is not too too bad, long diagnal strands form from joists to ground every now and then, but now that problem has moved to the basement part of the house. Not pleasant. The other day there was a strand that must have been a good 10 feet long, only saw it when my face was on it.

Then, this is where it gets very fun, I have another crawlspace under the garage. Believe it or not, I actually went right in there when I was cleaning after buying the house. It did take me all day to get to the other end while slowly moving in with the shop vac but yeah, cleaned all that up. Have not checked it in a few months but if it's not too bad I might go in again to spray in there, a lot.

Actually you can probably tell me what type of spiders these are. I have people tell me their wolf, other people tell me their brown recluse (which I doubt) and from my own research, looks like a grass spider.

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Old 10-13-2010, 06:38 PM   #21
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Just speaking from recent experience. There are no brown recluse spiders north of the border. I did alot of reading on them in the last year or so. Two things that I found that worked on all spiders is baking soda, and citrus spray. It doesn't kill them, but the will not walk on either thing. Spiders smell with their legs, the citrus is way to strong for them. Not sure why the baking soda works on them, just does.
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:18 PM   #22
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I also read about them tasting with their legs, that is... interesting.

Another thing they seem to hate is benifect, but not sure how long it lasts, I think it just evaporates in the air and does not leave a residue. I bought a sprayer which I tested out yesterday with that stuff. I startled a couple spiders and saw them running away looking drunk, was kinda funny. I stepped on one, the other went to hide where I could not access it. Not sure if the stuff kills em or not though. I think next time instead of killing one, I should just capture it, so I can test different stuff on it.

Can't wait for my order of insecticide to come in so I can actually watch dead ones randomly appear on the floor. I got the house professionally sprayed in spring, and I still occasionally see dead bugs on my outside wall, so I hope the stuff I bought works as good.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:53 AM   #23
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one part of the equation that is not mentioned,,what are the spiders eating? now we all know that mice and squirrles will eat the wood work and insulation off wiring, but I always figure the spiders were eating bugs they found. I don't care for spiders or the webs, gives me the willys, but for the most part I just vaccum the webs once in a great while and not spray, mostly because of dog and cats in the house.
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Old 10-17-2010, 07:26 PM   #24
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I do have some centipedes (thankfully not human ones!) and pill bugs every now and then, so that's probably what they eat. I also think they cannibalize on each other too. Also heard they like cardboard and paper products. I should get rid of all my cardboard boxes I use for storage, and buy plastic containers, that would help probably. When I buy a Christmas tree, I eventually want to build a large wooden crate for it too, and have it well sealed. I'm sure spiders will enjoy making their webbing in that, if I leave it in the cardboard box.
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This is MY understanding---Spiders are not insects. Insects walk on a treated surface and transfer the pesticide while eating. A spider doesn't eat that way.
I was spraying for insects when I lived on the lake. Spiders were particularly bad. I wasn't making much progress and a cemical engineer advised me to spray the spider "direct". This can be done easily at night with the help of a flashlight and a helper.
After taking this approach for a few nights, my spider population went from MANY to just a few. I am sure that you can buy insecticides that will kill spiders that come in contact with it, but the night spraying worked for me.
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:31 PM   #26
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I just got my order of Cyonara, I sprayed the perimeter of the house as well as windows, and overhang where spider webs were often found. Now that there's snow on the ground somewhat, the spiders are probably not really active anymore but there may still be some wanting to get in.

I just vacuumed the crawlspace, can't believe it took me this long. 2-3 hours. Removed all possible spider webs, I saw some, but most I probably did not see and they just went in the vacuum. Some very long ones in some areas. :o I did not venture in the unlit crawlspace under the garage. That's a whole other avenue for a whole other day. I'll spray in there as far as I can.

Now that the crawlspace and basement are safe to walk in without webs in the face, it's time to apply inside. As long as my cat is upstairs I should be safe right? I'm shutting the furnace down for the night as to minimize air circulation until it has a chance to dry. Bringing the heat up to 23... freaken bloody hot right now, but I want the heat to last for the night.
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Hey Redsquirrel:
Your statement about snow on ground scared me, until I remembered where you are. In the basement I wouldn't worry at all about shutting down the furnace. The pest control industry has been using that same active ingredient for decades inside houses, food handling facilities, apts, etc and shutting down the air handling eqpt is never done. When the treatment is dry, exposure is minimal to cats, people, etc. Leaving the furnace on will dry it quicker, as would a/c in the proper climate. Remember, you are using a water based spray, not aero.

The crawl under the garage- do spray in there as far as you can. I don't often use total-release aerosols, but that crawl would be a good candidate for one. It will kill what insects are in there, but no residual like with Cyonara. I love that name.

We have two cats and I use that same active ingredient in our house for spiders. I don't even isolate them, but it is a good idea. Some cats will follow you around, especially siamese. Ours don't, they are afraid of new eqpt, tools, etc.
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I had a guy come out to spray my house a while back and most spiders do die when they touch the surface of the house. I want to make something like this myself and possibly get a sprayer similar to what he used that way I can just do the job myself.

Anyknow know what to buy/mix together to come up with a spider killer that is fairly friendly to other stuff?
i use to be able to buy this stuff called deflac, in wilkinsons, it was for spraying round doorframes and windows for spiders, hope this helps.
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Old 10-23-2010, 01:14 PM   #29
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Good to know, and yeah I did it and cat is fine. The smell started coming upstairs so I was a little worried. It's not a strong or bad smell, but it does say to avoid inhalation, but think that is more an issue when it's in concentrate. The smell is actually very "fruity" and not "industrial" if that makes sense.

And my cat is Siamese so she does always follow me around. I did not do upstairs at all though. I never see spiders or spider webs upstairs. Only a few minor instances of webs in the bathroom maybe twice. Maybe the cat eats them when I'm not around. lol
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When they say "inhalation", they mean the actual droplets from the spray, not the odor. For many of the insecticides, the manufacturers have taken out the solvents that many of us remember. That is why the odors aren't like that "chemical smell" anymore, except for some specialty insecticides, such as for fleas, bedbugs.

This is a much safer industry than when I started in it back in the 70's; though not to diminish the fact that there are genuinely allergic people.

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