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Old 06-05-2011, 07:40 AM   #16
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I believe that the label allows for 2 treatments annually. That would be above ground applications, such as for ants. Termite treatments can be done as needed.

Many elements break down modern day pesticides. Sunlight, rain, microbes, dirt/dust accumulation on treated surface, etc. Residual life varies depending on the spot being treated. Treating under a porch roof will give much longer residual life than treating around the perimeter of the porch, although you should do both for effect. You can see how the 2 sites are impacted differently by the rain and sun. Treating over top of a cement patio slab leaves the chemical to much exposure. Treating into the crack between that same slab and the house will minimize exposure. Do both, though. You get the idea. You see why there is no one answer as to the residual life of an application. It will vary greatly within the same site.

Sunlight is probably the worst. Rain doesn't fall in the perimeter of the house as it does further away. Also, I like to treat under soffits, porch roofs, etc. as the sunshine is minimal in those areas, and rain should not affect it at all. Even when rained on, if the application had time to dry, it does bond to the soil anyway. Termidor stays put, especially in subterranean application.

We give 6 month carpenter ant warranty with one (residential) application and we rarely get called back. Termidor is almost too good to be true. It is the chemistry and and how it affects ants/termites, not the toxicity, as that is low. Modern day science and chemistry are bringing effective products to our modern day life; I'm counting on them to bring us an effective bed-bug product. I've been in the pest control industry for 30+ years; 2010 was the first time in my life that I saw a live bed bug. These guys snuck up on us, and have the advantage for now.

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Thanks Bugman - awesome advice as always...

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OK, Termidor on its way! And not a moment too soon. After a very wet spring, we've had several dry and hot days. Coincidence or not, now family is finding many more ants in the house. No trail, but frequent appearances along floor or trim. Past few nights I've found no activity along the outside trails I found, so they may have a new path or are inside
Wife told me she is calling the exterminator next week, so I hope my case is on the quicker end of the range and she sees something fast. I can't seem to convince her that after my research, I should be able to get this under control this year and also save money.

Should get the delivery Friday,and hopefully no rain in the forecast so I can get right to it!

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OK, Termidor on its way!

... I can't seem to convince her that after my research, I should be able to get this under control this year and also save money

Let her read this--

About a week after my treatment there are ZERO ants in my house.

The Pro used Termidor SC -- the exact same bottle I bought myself off the internet. He mixed it as per the instructions on the bottle in a regular sprayer, using regular water... then it took 15 mins to spray around the foundation and ant ant mounts within a foot of the house..

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OK, I just came from the attic where there were a bunch of CA's up there. Seemed to clustered near the area under a window, so would not be surprised if they are in a void up there. But not ready to pull away insulation as is it near my wife's art supplies.

With this many in the attic, do you think enough would venture into the Termidor zone or should I just order Phantom too right now?

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With this many in the attic, do you think enough would venture into the Termidor zone or should I just order Phantom too right now?
Well, I would certainly put down the termidor regardless...

I assume that at least some are foraging outside and that this is a satellite nest, to have a big nest inside w/o any foragers outside means they have have a regular source of water--you should check for leaks (roof, plumbing, etc).

Also, I know you aren't suggesting it, but for the sake of saying it--termidor is for outdoor use only...

I don't really know what's effective for indoor control, so I'll leave that to PAbugman
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Yes, yes Termidor is outdoor only! Thanks for checking just in case. Mid thread, it could sound like I was planning otherwise.

I'm thinking the same about the foragers. I think I just spotted one just now outside; big guy coming out from behind the siding by my garage door, a few feet under and the the side of the attic window where I saw the activity.

We haven't had too much rain lately, but last weekend I did raise the storm windows, so maybe with the screen down, something is getting past the sash, and maybe that's why they've suddenly congregated there. How long does it take for a satellite nest to pop up?

As for indoors, I've seen Phantom recommended by PAbugman.

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Phantom on the inside has been recomended multiple times by Pros to me as well..it just isn't available to me here in Canada..

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Question about effects. I've been biding time with Combat Source Kill Max (.001% Fipronil) to modest results. Last night I baited all around their stomping grounds on the floor under the window and they went right for it. Some went onto the syringe like crack addicts! This morning I see some ants that look drunk--walking in circles, or suddenly jumping around when disturbed. Is that a sign the toxin is working? Can we expect to see a lot of ants walking around like this when I treat with Termidor? That would be good to point out to my family if they are expecting ants to disappear in 1 day, that if they still see ants, but they're walking around drunk, we're in good shape.

I do need to re-caulk my house. Just about everywhere windows, doors or siding meet frames or masonry, I have gaps. But I feel I should wait until after Termidor treatment--anyone have suggestions on how long?

(I know, I failed on basic prevention by not filling gaps or trimming bushes!)

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I would wait to re-caulk until you get it under control, I would not want to cut off the ants access to the outside if that is where the ant killer is....however maybe a pro can chime in cause I have a similar situation.

With the Combat, I made the mistake of not baiting for long enough, there is usually a second or third wave of buggers once the initial has stopped..

I just keep bait around and freshen it up when the activity resumes...I was told by a pro that one time baiting is rarely enough, if the problem is old enough and the colony is big enough they told me to keep baiting all summer to keep the pressure on the colony.

Remember that the activity you see could be one of many trails to the same colony.

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Keep baiting. Carpenter ants are hard to bait so if you are having success then keep at it. Don't use foggers (repellent and will work against termidor and baiting). Don't move insulation or disrupt them-they will go defensive and move somewhere else.

Termidor is labeled for exterior use only, but that does not mean it is unsafe or too toxic for indoor use; it means that the company simply asked only for exterior labeling. It means much less time in the testing phase and quicker to market. In an unfinished attic, meaning not a living space, I would not hesitate to use Termidor. It will be safe and very effective. I, as a commercial applicator do not violate the label, but if you do the attic all you will harm is the carpenter ants.

Remeber-the active ingredient is Fipronil which is in Frontline and in flea collars. Toxicity is very low.
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Thanks. I was thinking that same thing about disturbing the insulation. Good my intuition was on the mark!

Our attic is semi-finished, and my wife uses it as an art studio, so I won't use the Termidor up there. But since I have an idea now of the interior traffic, I'll use Phantom.

Baited again up there last night and activity was very low.

Termidor should arrive today, but we have scattered thunderstorms in the forecast and don't want to risk it. I'll be patient, but have to sell that to my wife and kids!

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You've done the research and have a good strategy. It's time to do the job. You will learn more as you treat and gauge results. Conitnue observing and monitoring. Treat the base of nearby trees, about 4-6 feet up from ground as well. Once the chemical dries, it stays put even in rain.
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OK, here's a dilemma. Label on Termidor says not to treat within one foot of the dripline of edible plants. Problem is that we do have raspberries and strawberries and some vegetable garden plants within that zone. So I will have large portions of my foundation and deck untreated.

I can't imagine we're the only people in this situation. What can I do? I don't want to remove all my plants; is there another treatment I can use in those parts?

Is the issue only about the wet spraying, and I"m OK if my plants grow back later, or more about the treatment being in the soil long term?

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I've had this issue before quite a few times - it's most likely the moisture in the walls etc bringing them in (nothing against the chemical remedy's out there - that works too, but it doesn't solve the problem permanently)

We had two places in our older house. A spot in the back of the house which allowed water to get around the brick and into the wall and a leaking shower/tub on the other side of the house.

We had carpenter ants in both general areas and had no idea why, we tried the above mentioned chemical solutions over and over with regular repetition.

One day I found the ants heading up the brick wall outside and I grabbed a ladder to see where they were going - yep, big void and water could (and did) go directly into the wall.

I repaired the area carefully, did a final spray of chem's and wow - no more ants on that side of house. Went and checked the shower area and found the other problemed area - replaced the shower surround and again - no more ants.

We have been ant free for a couple years now with no chem's or traps.

Just a thought - but I would solve the source first - and see what happens from there

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