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Old 03-13-2012, 09:15 AM   #16
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I would like to share my story with you all between me and bed bugs..

I have been bitten for the last eight months. I kind of figured it was bed bugs, but my boyfriend or my children did not get bit. I searched my bed and found nothing. It wasn't until my daughter slept in my bed and woke with bites that i knew it had to be BED BUGS. I researched the little critters online and I found a lot of helpful solutions green rubbing alcohol was my first step. Then I vacuumed my entire bed and then I brought a streamer machine and steamed my bed and i bought vinyl covers and that was the end of my problems........luckily I did not have an infestation.
Did you identify that you had bed bugs and not fleas or ticks by the way? Not sure where you live or if you have pets but you mentioned your boyfriend was not being bitten. Bed bugs seem not to be selective. We could tell when the dogs needed flea treatment when my girlfriend would wake up bitten. They never bothered me.

The good news about bed bugs is they do not seem to carry any diseases or cause illnesses. Of course if you scratch the bites you expose them to the possibility of infection. Fleas and especially ticks can be a different story. Even people in NYC got lyme disease when pigeons carried infected ticks from the wilds into town.

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Hello, I moved in recently into a new flat, and I am thinking (but I'm not sure) that I have a problem with bed bugs. There are three red spots on my arm and they are incredibly itching. I went to the pharmacy, lady gave me some powder for that. I suppose that I have to check bed and use those expensive vacuum cleaner. Does anyone have more propositions?
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Long ago, according to a book I have about CO, Indians and ranchers would kick over a cone shaped anthill. The red ants would flood to the surface. Then a bedbug infested mattress would be placed on the anthill. The ants would remove all the bedbugs. People would put the legs of their bed in bowls with water or even kerosene.

Bedbugs can live with pets, squirrels, raccoons, pigeons, rats, bats, swallows and on. You need a microscope and a technical bug guide to distinguish between a bedbug, batbug or swallowbug. They look the same to the naked eye.

Gentrol, unfortunately, is not on the consumer market. I use it as insurance since it makes immature bedbugs sexually sterile.

The bedbug has a chemical it uses to deaden pain so the bite does not feel like a mosquito bite. That is part of the reason some people will get a little red mark where bitten. Some people show no mark. I do not think 2 people in the same bed in a bedbug infested room would not both be bitten. They don't run, jump, hop, or fly. And I don't think they climb over one person to get to the other. Some people are just more sensitive to the bite.

They usually live very close to the bed. If a person moves from the bed to the couch, it takes a couple weeks for the bedbugs to find where the person went.

Since multi unit dwellings are connected with plumbing, heating, and electricity, those become bedbug pathways, as well as hallways, stairways, and elevators.

I do not think bedbugs go longer than about 6 months without a blood meal. No blood, no eggs. Now ticks go a lot longer, but they also lay a lot more eggs at once than bedbugs.
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Ok, I will start cleaning my room and bed
where can I find Gentrol if it's not on a consumer market? Is there some efficient non-chemical approach in exterminating bed bugs?
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Google Gentrol. Plenty of places to buy it.
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Ok, I will start cleaning my room and bed
where can I find Gentrol if it's not on a consumer market? Is there some efficient non-chemical approach in exterminating bed bugs?
See my first page post on City of Chicago recommendations that seem to be having some effect. It does not require much money except for the dryer and dry cleaner but does require that you complete everything and remain diligent.

Of all of the listed? My elderly neighbor across the hall had a major problem and I have never seen a single one in my unit. For him we got rid of lots of the clutter they could be hiding in (traumatic for him), we ran all his closet and drawer clothing through the dryer (or dry cleaner) and sealed all in bags until done completely with all (and all us dry new clothes first thing), we bought bed bug covers for mattresses (cheaper online than in stores here), and we were diligent about frequent vacuuming and especially with a crevice tool around baseboards and on top and under mattress and upholstery seams. We moved and vacuumed under all furniture. We emptied and cleaned the vacuum container after each use and stuffed the end of the hose in case some bugs survived. We extraction cleaned carpeting. He has not seen one in over a year!

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When I lived in Chicago before and left in 1989, I never heard about bed bugs. I moved back January 2010 and they are absolutely everywhere---even luxury offices.

My uncle is an exterminator, and he said that the government outlawed chlordane in 1988, which is why bedbugs made such an impressive comeback. That seems fits your timeline.
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My uncle is an exterminator, and he said that the government outlawed chlordane in 1988, which is why bedbugs made such an impressive comeback. That seems fits your timeline.
Lots of good pesticides had to be removed from the market because people, mainly diyers, were overmixing them and overusing them without proper equipment and protection. DDT is something my Mom, Aunt and grandfather used to talk about using growing up. There is some talk of bringing the use of some back, temporarily, but only under strict license to qualified exterminators.

Meanwhile, I think I mentioned elsewhere on the site, some exterminators are having success with extreme temperature treatments---either cold or hot. The deal is homeowners, hotel managers, etc. have to do their part and de-clutter and dry all clothing for things to work. Temperature treatment is also a contact method so you need to know where they are.
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It is not chlordane that was used for bedbugs, it is DDT. All bedding materials were treated with DDT. They would dip sheep in a DDT bath prior to cutting off the wool too. Chlordane was used for termites and outdoors, not indoors during my involvement. Chlordane and DDT are entirely different from each other chemically.

Good to hear that googling Gentrol results in locations to obtain it. I haven't needed it for years, and used to obtain it from my chemical supplier, not the big box. I have never seen it there and just jumped to a conlusion that it was still difficult to obtain.
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Thanks guys. I'll go with washing and vacuuming for a start. I have child and animals so I'm trying to skip chemicals as much as I can.
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I try to use Suspend SC at home whenever I need to spray something. It does not smell and will not stain anything, which is nice. It is also not very toxic and harmless to humans/pets once it is dried.
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I do not accept that bed bugs cannot walk on smooth plastic. What is smooth? I have seen them on glass and plastic. The plastic mattress cover is covered with bedding (you do not use the plastic as the bedding). How can a plastic covered mattress with bedding covering the plastic prevent bed bugs from getting to their dinner?

I have treated apartments with plastic wrapped mattresses. The tenants still were being bitten in bed. The plastic does reduce the number of areas where they will reside and lay eggs. This is the seams, buttons, and holes.

I use Suspend SC and mix gentrol with it. One thing about the pesticides is that they are tiny crystals that are on the surface after the water has soaked into or evaporated from the treated area. An insect which crosses it will carry it. If it is not an encapsulated or crystal like form, the bug must have a longer contact time to get a lethal dose. Most bedbug pesticides are repellent.

Vacuums will remove pesticides. Gentrol soaks in and hence is not removed when vacuumed. I suggest a thorough cleaning prior to application of any pesticide. Then wait about a week to 10 days before it is vacuumed again. If you still see bedbugs in that time, you missed something.

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I've had a little experience in getting rid of bed bugs in my apartment. I was also on the board for a large building that had a bed bug problem. From the research the board did, it wasn't worthwhile to hire professionals to get rid of bedbugs. Most give a 30-90 day warranty and it's too easy to have them come back right after the warranty period.

In my place I setup traps underneath all of the cushioned furniture and that worked pretty well. Start with your bed because they feed on your blood. Cover the mattress and set the traps underneath the legs. Make sure the bed isn't touching the wall. Once your bed is safe, I think it's much more maneagable from there.
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Sorry about my post, but I was trying to answer many people's posts at one time. As an entomologist, I've worked on bed bugs for over 15 years.

ccarlisle
---- Actually immature bed bugs are called nymphs


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DIATOMOUS DUST
This is diatomaceous earth. There are also other dusts such as derived from silica gel.
"This stuff is like magic, non toxic but try not to breathe it.
Put a thin layer of dust over all the cracks and crevices previously treated.
Put on bed and furniture too. Its messy but well worth it as it really does work. Takes about 10 days to 2 weeks."
---- Actually you are applying it too thickly and will cause health problems affecting lungs and breathing. Use of a dust mask is useful when applying, but if applied to so many places such as in furniture and bed, you would want to sleep with a dust mask. It's actually not non-toxic due to its physical nature, but not chemical nature.
You can take the bag out of the vacuum (if your vacuum cleaner has a bag) and dispose of it.

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"Quick bed bug facts first. Good news is while they gorge on blood they do not, as far as we know, carry diseases since they don't cross feed. Obviously if you scratch a bite you open yourself to an infection. The bad news is an adult can gorge and not have to feed again for a year! Nymphs are near transparent and hard to see."
---- I don't actually understand what you mean by cross feed, but this bed bug species feeds on warm-blooded hosts, typically us, but birds and mammals are fare game. The adult bed bug doesn't gorge and then not have to feed for a year. It's only under very cool conditions where it can last for a long period of time after having eaten. If a host is around, it will feed. The hatched first instar nymph is white and difficult to see; once fed it is easy to see it since red blood is in it which darkens as it is being digested.
"The consensus here is that chemicals the consumer can buy are an absolute waste of money. In fact the most effective treatments seem to be hypothermal. Many exterminators use liquid nitrogen if they can source an infestation."
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Not true. Many chemicals are the same as a professional can buy. It's really where you apply the chemical that's important. No, it's not liquid nitrogen but a carbon dioxide system called Cryonite. Not many exterminators use it.
"I will say that whenever I had walls open in a renovation I used boron as a prophylactic tool against bugs before sealing up walls. Diatamaceous (sp?) earth is similar in function and certainly will not hurt anything. Both are minerals and harmless to people and pets. Boron can render soil sterile though. I suspect you can buy a giant bag of diatamaceous earth at a pool supply company for a fraction of what they want for it as a pest control product. It is commonly used in pool filter systems."
----100% wrong. Borates are not advocated for bed bug control. Diatomaceous earth must never be the pool filter type for insect control. It is a food grade version that is used. Inhalation of the pool grade version will produce silicosis, a condition very much like asbestosis.
There really is no nest of bed bugs since the insect is not a social insect like honey bees, ants, termites, but it's called a harborage.
The mattress encasement is not as important as a box spring encasement.
An iron is good to iron mattresses, but a high heat, low vapor steam is better. Slowly steam surfaces.
"They love to hide and lay eggs in clutter, seams and carpet fibers! And remember, adults can go a year without feeding..."
---- They actually don't love to hide, but clutter gives them more places in which to hide and females lay eggs and these glued to surfaces. That's why clutter is a problem.
"Even people in NYC got lyme disease when pigeons carried infected ticks from the wilds into town."
---- No, not exactly. Not necessarily pigeons, but other bird species that forage on the ground where ticks would be and their normal rodent or other small mammal hosts live.

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"Gentrol, unfortunately, is not on the consumer market. I use it as insurance since it makes immature bedbugs sexually sterile."
---- There is some discussion regarding Gentrol. Recent studies showed that using it at 300 times its recommended dosage had an effect on the bed bugs. It's not recommended at this time. Its action is not the same as it has on cockroaches.
"The bedbug has a chemical it uses to deaden pain so the bite does not feel like a mosquito bite. That is part of the reason some people will get a little red mark where bitten. Some people show no mark. I do not think 2 people in the same bed in a bedbug infested room would not both be bitten. They don't run, jump, hop, or fly. And I don't think they climb over one person to get to the other. Some people are just more sensitive to the bite."
---- There are different proteins used in the saliva of bed bugs versus mosquitoes and that can be the reasons for different reactions to different insect bites. I've fed bed bugs for over 15 years and don't react badly, but a mosquito bite causes itching. Bed bugs can run very quickly and may climb over a person to feed on another, but most likely will stop and try feeding on the first one it comes to.
"I do not think bedbugs go longer than about 6 months without a blood meal. No blood, no eggs."
---- Correct, if there's not blood, there's no eggs, no sperm and also sperm that is in the female from mating will also die. Warmer conditions and their metabolism is sped up; cooler and it slows down.

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---- Without copying your entire post, it is basically without merit. You post the exact same thing on many forums and all experts in the field continue to tell you that you don't understand bed bug biology.

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"I try to use Suspend SC at home whenever I need to spray something. It does not smell and will not stain anything, which is nice. It is also not very toxic and harmless to humans/pets once it is dried."
---- Actually Suspend (deltamethrin) is one of the products that there has been reported resistance issues in bed bug populations. It's not good to use the same product (same chemical family) over and over again because of resistance issues.

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