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Old 04-21-2013, 07:23 PM   #16
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My apologies Two Knots....that's what I get for assuming and I get cranky when it happens to me lol.

With respect to the suggestions so far. Below is gives an idea of the traffic flow. I looked at moving the door but I don't there there is room based on where the water heater is. It would be a really tight fit as the WH is off the wall. We usually use the garage to enter the house and drag the groceries etc. The wall with the sink faces the fenced in back yard where our 4 dogs rule the world.

The red represents the main traffic flow.
The blue shows entrance from the garage to the laundry area.
The purple shows where I think you are suggesting the new door.
The laundry is not heated and cooled. The laundry is also on the same level as the garage which is 5 inches step down.

To the person that suggested making the island a peninsular of sorts. Originally there was a U shaped kitchen with an over hang and upper cabinets. I ripped the uppers out when we moved in and it opened it up some but with leaving the lowers in it still looked small, That's why I was going with the island.

Two Knots. The cabinets are to be white with a bead board insert and we are looking at a dark plank wood looking tile.

I have thought about moving the stove to the island but then I would have to have a column to get gas/power to the island. I don't know what they put in the concrete when they poured the house but there is no way we are chipping it up. We can't even get a heavy duty ramset to puncture it so to dig a channel for power / gas would be very time consuming and probably cost a bunch.

I do like the idea of flipping the island and actually found some shaped ones that look good.

Have spent the day painting outside so whooped - but tomorrow I will get measurements on where the water heater is to see if we can move the door.

I will also see if we can fit the fridge next to the sink. My only issue with that is are you not required to have landing space on either side of the sink and fridge? if that's the case then the fridge would be the end of the run and I would like some type of cabinet at the end not just the fridge hanging out there.

Hope this all makes sense and again thanks for the suggestions .
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:23 PM   #17
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You're layout reminds me of our daughters kitchen.
Only difference is
where your dinning room is that is her kitchen eating area.
Where your sink is, they have a micro and wall oven, and where
your fridge is is where they have their sink. Their stove is in the same
place as yours.
Where I suggested to move your door to the laundry room over to the
left...that would open up the right side for some great countertop
space for food prep near the stove.
She also has a peninsula and an
island. Even if you don't do a peninsula, they did a great arch separating
the kitchen from the eating area.
I'm not good at computer designing, I do all my stuff with graft paper.

I'll get you a couple of pics of her kitchen, I know it will inspire you, as well
as give you some ideas. Just keep in mind, that they are serious cooks.
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The ceilings are 9 foot and the cabs go all the way up.








This is the wall oposite of the sink. this where her side door is, you enter through the mud room,
which has the laundry room and powder room...

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The ceilings are 9 foot and the cabs go all the way up.









oposite the sink...on the right...wall oven, micro, warming oven an fridge on the left

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TK's... Holy cow I want her kitchen!! That is stunning and those arches are the bomb.

I am going to print off the pics and spend some time in the kitchen/laundry tomorrow. I will get some exact measurements and come back here with some interior photos tomorrow to see if we can make some of this stuff work.

Thank you so very much for sharing.
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your welcome, a arch will give you some defination between the kitchen
and dining room. I add more pics.



looking down the into the mud room from the end of the fridge.

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She has a wide opening into the mud room, however, if you do manage to get a small doorway into the laundry room, She has the perfect door for it.
I'll get it next after this pic.



This is behind the stove, the powder room door on the left and the laundry room door on
the right. Note how cute the laundry room door is.
She ripped out her oak floor and they installed this wide plank rough (its sorta ribbed) oak.
It's great for the dog, his nails don't scratch it.



This is the eating area...and this is why I thought her layout is like yours. The french doors on the
right lead into the LR...in your house it is the door to the outside, right?
Note...the kitchen was still under construction in this pic...the family room
to the left was temporally housing the old kitchen Island.

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You prob'ly don't have to move the appliance layout. You'd have a decent triangle, if it wasn't for the detour around the end of the island. It looks like you have enough room for my edited version. I spun the island 90, which eliminates the detour and gets the number of steps from countertops to island reduced on 2 sides. Extending the front overhang gives you an area for island-side eating and socializing.

Just an idea.

Jim
The left side of your house is shaped almost exactly like ours. We are planning a kitchen redo and our plan is to design our kitchen almost exactly as you have done (door placement is the same as well). Our fridge is where your oven is and vice versa. I like Jim's idea to rotate the kichen island. Ours is currently where you have planned and it is a pain to walk around to get to the fridge/stove/sink, especially when both of us are working on dinner. We are actually going to place it where Jim suggested to keep the triangle free and clear. I think this is the easiest option without having to reroute utilities and doors, and will give you the flow you want.

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Below is a pic with what we are dealing with...lets face it ANYTHING would be an improvement. This is after we ripped out the walls and insulation etc.
I have half of bookcases that didn't flood as my "base cabinets" and wouldn't you know it a flooded CPU tower is the perfect height for holding up the sink, along with my designer yellow saw horses that is.

I put a red x where we looked at putting the door and based on what we would need to do I just can't see it happening. There is a gas line, water lines a cast iron vent stack and electrical that we would have to move. Its also load bearing.

I am looking at moving the fridge to where the green x as suggested by Jim. But is there a requirement to put space on either side of the sink?

I don't want the end/start of the run to be the fridge I would like some type of cabinet there and would I have a small space on the left hand side of the sink.

I can't believe I am even posting this photo lol........sooo embarrassing but we have been cooking on a camp stove outside since September so its time to get it done.

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Well, it doesn't look too bad...I've seen worse...Think about a narrow
peninsular and a smaller Island...What about a bigger window (wider)
over the sink? How about a pic of the fridge wall...
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Now that I see the real photo of your kitchen, I like the door on the right
side. I also like the the idea of a peninsula separating the dining room
from the kitchen. Before, you said you had top cabs that you removed, right?

The peninsula and the cabs underneath doesn't have to be the standard
debt as the rest of the bottom cabs. It can be narrower, thus leaving more
floor space in the middle of your kitchen for your Island.

Now, if you want lets say an 18" counter on the peninsula, you could do
a 9" deep set of cabs underneath. (this way there
would be space on the dining room side for a couple of
stools if you want them...if you dont want stools, then the bottom
cabs can be bigger, lets say 15" to 16" deep) If you are purchasing
standard cabs, a regular standard cab can be cut down. ( we did that
in our first new kitchen -- it was much cheaper than having the cabs
custom made to size)

in our second new kitchen...We made our own kitchen cabs, and
in our breakfast area have several cabs that are 7" to 9" deep, and you
would be surprised how much stuff can fit in shallow cabs. If you did a
a narrower peninsula how many feet would there be for an island in the
middle? can you sketch that up?
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For what it's worth, if you go with your fridge where you've marked the green X, I wouldn't put a cabinet/counter to the left of it. You could always build an insert for the fridge so that you have a 'wall' there. If you put in a cabinet/counter, you'll have such a small area to work with there, and you'll lose space between the fridge and sink. Better to have one long run of counters rather than two smaller units that are separated.
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TK - Here is the back wall . Sorry it took so long, have been working outside for a few days.

Here is the back wall of the kitchen. The old pantry in blue is very deep so we are ripping that out and hopefully going with pantry cabinets.

The red x doorway is going to be filled in (this is originally where we were placing the fridge

The yellow section is going to be opened up with a half wall

Sorry is messy have stuff stuck everywhere while we are rebuilding the back of the house.

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Robyn, check out these kitchen bar ideas for your fridge
wall. Check out The kitchens as well -- on Houz.

http://www.houzz.com/photos/kitchen/coffee-bar
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It's a well designed layout of kitchen without any mistake. But you may increase more to your design. As I am looking, you should require sufficient fire and smoke extension in this layout. Also you have to efficiently use kitchen walls to keep kitchen things which increase kitchen space and help you to arrange kitchen things. Hope you may like this.

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